Line #23 Main/ConfucianConfusion


1	->''"Confucius was one of the ones who invented confusion, and for that reason … he's one of the ancient Chinese, one of the [[InterchangeableAsianCultures Japanese]] of the ancient times."''
2	-->-- '''Miss Panama Giosue Cozzarelli'''
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4	Works with Chinese characters made anywhere other than China will sometimes have said character attribute a proverb to Confucius, often by prefacing the proverb with "As Creator/{{Confucius}} say" or simply "Confucius say". Sometimes "wise man" replaces Confucius' name. Apart from being [[{{Engrish}} grammatically incorrect]], often [[IntentionalEngrishForFunny intentionally]], it reveals that their attribution to Confucius is erroneous. Actual proverbs from the Analects are always prefaced with "The Master said".
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6	The phrase that started it all, "[As] Confucius say[s]", became popular in Western culture largely through fortune cookies in Chinese restaurants. Quotes from Buddha have also been attributed to Confucius at times, only aggravating the confusion.
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8	Compare IceCreamKoan. Subtrope of WrongfullyAttributed. Sometimes overlaps with AsTheGoodBookSays.
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11	!!Examples:
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15	[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
16	* ''Anime/TheSecretOfMamo'': In the Manga UK dub, Goemon uses a quote he attributes to "a wise man" to criticize Wolf the Third for accepting a job from Fujiko simply for liking the look of her ass.
17	-->'''Goemon:''' A wise man once said, "Nice asses turn men into asses."\
18	'''Wolf the Third:''' True. That sure was a wise guy.
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21	[[folder:Fan Works]]
22	* In ''Fanfic/FarceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', all serious Confucius quotations in ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' are replaced with something vaguely similar, but silly.
23	--> '''Liu Bei:''' Confucius says, "[[Music/QueenBand Thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightening.]]"
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26	[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]
27	* ''Film/TheStreetFighter'' and its sequels both have examples from characters with otherwise perfectly good grammar on par with the Japanese characters (and even then the only part that's grammatically incorrect is "As Confucius say").
28	** In the first film, Kowloon Dingsau, upon learning that Junjo and Nachi are siblings, notes, "Coincidence, as Confucius say."
29	** In ''Return of the Street Fighter'', during the sauna scene, a random ArrogantKungFuGuy attributes a proverb about not touching hot rocks to Confucius.
30	* Subverted in ''Film/TheFightingFistOfShanghaiJoe'', one of the '70s Kung Fu {{Spaghetti Western}}s, in which a storekeeper in the [[UsefulNotes/SanFrancisco St. Francisco]] (yes, you read the opening subtitle right) Chinatown during the prologue attributes a proverb to Confucius as Joe continues on his way to a wagon train headed for Texas. The subversion is in how the proverb said storekeeper prefaced with "As Confucius say" is an ''actual'' Confucius proverb, about how only the wisest and stupidest of men never change.
31	%%* ''Film/{{Crank}}: High Voltage'':
32	%%-->'''Doc Miles:''' Confucius say, karma's a bitch.
33	* ''Film/BigFatLiar'': Marty Wolf uses this as a racist insult towards his Asian director, and at the end said Asian director gets back at him with one of his own.
34	-->'''Dusty Wong:''' I told you, Wolf, the only way to shoot this scene is from 12 different camera angles, with birds flying around. By the by, [[IronicEcho Confucius say]], "Kastang! You're busted!" Rock and roll, baby!
35	* ''Film/TuckerTheManAndHisDream'': Tucker tries to shake off the legal eagles with a quote about shipbuilding he attributes to Confucius.
36	-->'''Preston Tucker:''' "Big ships fine," Confucius say. "Rowboats long in tooth, make big noise, go nowhere."
37	* ''Film/{{Rollercoaster}}'': Tracy Calder attributes a Biblical quote to Confucius, which her dad promptly lampshades. Justified in that she claims to have learned that from a fortune cookie.
38	-->'''Tracy Calder:''' Confucius say, "[[Literature/TheBible With faith, man can move mountain.]]"\
39	'''Harry Calder:''' I thought Jesus said that?\
40	'''Tracy Calder:''' Well, maybe he did. But according to that fortune cookie...\
41	'''Fran:''' Which is yours, by the way.\
42	'''Tracy Calder:''' ...Confucius said it, too.\
43	'''Harry Calder:''' Don't believe everything you read.
44	%%* ''Film/CharlieChan'' makes frequent use of this.
45	%%** In "Charlie Chan at the Race Track", "Confucius say: No man is poor who have worthy son."
46	%%** In "Charlie Chan in City in Darkness", "Confucius say: A wise man questions ''himself'', a fool ''others''." Attributed to the cartoonist Henri Arnold.
47	* In ''Twin Dragon Encounter'', as the [=McNamara=] brothers deal with some rude truckers at a rest stop, Martin attributes a quote about how to go about it to Confucius.
48	-->'''Martin [=McNamara=]:''' Confucius say, "When fighting truckers, nail the suckers!"
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51	[[folder:Jokes]]
52	* There are some old jokes (often with puns) along this theme as well, such as:
53	-->Confucius say, he who [[DrivesLikeCrazy drives like hell]], bound to get there.\
54	Confucius say, he who drops watch in toilet, bound to have shitty time.\
55	Confucius say, he who farts in church, sits in own pew.\
56	Confucius say, he who goes to bed with itchy butt, wakes up with smelly finger.\
57	Confucius say, [[UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} he who has four balls, no can walk]].\
58	Confucius say, he who jumps off Empire State Building, leaps to conclusion.\
59	Confucius say, he who lays girl on hill, not on level.\
60	Confucius say, he who runs in front of car, gets tired.\
61	Confucius say, he who runs behind car, gets exhausted.\
62	Confucius say, he who stands on top of toilet, high on pot.\
63	Confucius say, modern house without indoor plumbing is uncanny.\
64	Confucius say, he who walks sideways through rail station turnstile, going to Bangkok.
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67	[[folder:Literature]]
68	* Subverted in ''Literature/JudgeDee'': Being a Confucian magistrate in Tang Dynasty China, he only quotes Confucius in the proper context and never as a joke.
69	* In the ''Series/InspectorMorse'' novel "Last Bus To Woodstock", a don recites what the narrative calls a "tired old joke" about rape: "Confucius, he say girl with skirt up, she run faster than man with trousers down, eh?"
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72	[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
73	* {{Lampshaded}} in ''Series/GetSmart''.
74	-->'''Harry Hoo:''' As Confucius say: stick and stones may break my bone but name will never hurt me.\
75	'''Maxwell Smart:''' Confucius said that?
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78	[[folder:Visual Novels]]
79	* In ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'', Interpol agent Shi-Long Lang tends to quote wolf-themed aphorisms from a Confucius-expy named Lang Zi. As the story goes on, they become increasingly incomprehensible to the point that Edgeworth finds them [[{{Metaphorgotten}} difficult to follow.]]
80	-->'''Lang:''' Lang Zi says: "A cub who disrespects others soon feels the disciplinary bite of an elder."
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83	[[folder:Web Videos]]
84	* ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'': In "Eastern Philosophers vs. Western Philosophers" Confucius himself utters one: ''"You can all hold these fortune cookies"''. He even prefaces it with ''"Confucius say"''.
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87	[[folder:Western Animation]]
88	* ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'': At the end of "China Jones", WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck discovers that ChineseLaunderer WesternAnimation/PorkyPig wishes to settle a "small matter of large bill", and Daffy tries to weasel out of [[WorkOffTheDebt working off the debt]].
89	-->'''Daffy Duck:''' Well, Confucius says "Can't squeeze blood from turnip"!\
90	'''Porky:''' Oh yes. ''[pulling out a large club]'' Also say "Is better you press shirts than press luck."
91	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'': "Bride and Gloom" uses this as its punchline.
92	-->'''Popeye:''' Good morning, sweetheart! Your lover boy is ready to get marriaged!\
93	'''Olive Oyl:''' Popeye, I ain't gonna marry you! ''[clobbers Popeye with a chest of drawers]''\
94	'''Popeye:''' Confucius say, "Female, she is fickle!"
95	* In ''WesternAnimation/RubyGloom'', one of Misery's family members Mildew spouts a lot of quotes she attributes to Confucius, none of which are things Confucius has ever said.
96	* Spoofed by The Brothers Matzoriley (of ''WesternAnimation/TheSuper6'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheInspector''): the middle head, Wong, being a Chinese stereotype, usually utters some aphorism prefaced by "''Confusion'' say".
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99	[[folder:Real Life]]
100	* Creator/BruceLee brought this up in a 1971 interview.
101	-->You know what I want to think of myself? As a human being. Because, I mean I don't want to be like "As Confucius say," but under the sky, under the heavens there is but one family. It just so happens that people are different.
102	* [[BrainlessBeauty Miss Panama Giosue Cozzarelli]] produced a legendary answer when she was asked who Confucius was.
103	-->Confucius was one of the ones who invented confusion, and for that reason … he's one of the ancient Chinese, one of the [[InterchangeableAsianCultures Japanese]] of the ancient times.
104	[[/folder]]
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106	->''As Confucius say, man who tropes too much, [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife ruins own life.]]''

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