Line #35 DethroningMoment/Pokemon


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21	!!!Generation VI
22	* @/{{Retloclive}}: For the most part, ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' did its job as a decent remake of the Generation III games. However, one thing that really disappointed me upon playing through the game was how it completely ignored the storyline changes that were added in ''Pokémon Emerald''. Particularly, leaving out Team Magma's new hideout. Since ''Emerald'' had the player face off against both of Hoenn's evil teams, the game swapped around the base set-up of Team Magma where instead of having their hideout off the coast of Lilycove City, they're moved to the volcano of Mt. Chimney while Team Aqua kept the Lilycove coastal base. The change made much more sense towards Hoenn's world-building since Team Magma is now waking up Groudon from inside a volcano instead of the Seafloor Cavern, which ends up looking really out-of-place since the water cavern comes off like something that would only make sense for Kyogre. How cool would it have been if ''Omega Ruby'' had Team Magma's base in the volcano while ''Alpha Sapphire'' had Team Aqua's base at the usual Lilycove coast? It just comes off feeling like wasted potential, especially since the developers didn't have any problem adding the ''Pokémon Crystal'' story changes to ''[[Videogame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokémon [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=]]]'' beforehand.
23	* Trialman: As much as I love ORAS and think it was an amazing remake of the main game, my affection for the game doesn't extend to the Delta Episode. I feel it's rather dull in gameplay and has too many info dumps. But for a specific moment, it's the one with Zinnia at the space centre. Basically, Steven and some scientists are planning to stop a meteor from crashing into Hoenn by using a machine to teleport it away. Zinnia bursts into the lab, with the reactions of the scientists suggesting she's intruding. How do they respond to a seemingly 12 year old girl barging into what's apparently a restricted area? They just let her walk up to the head scientist, and call him wrong to his face, when he's the qualified professional and she's just some tribal looking kid. She insists that teleporting the meteor away will just make it hit the Hoenn of the original games, her only explanation being "what if that other Hoenn exists", without any reason as to why she thinks this, or how the teleportation machine is totally going to send the meteor to this one exact location. She may as well be saying "Source: Just trust me bro" for all the logic she has. She then steals the machine off this grown adult, somehow, and breaks it, insisting her hypothetical scenario is totally correct, and that she knows more about teleportation than an entire team of qualified professionals, and then invites you to Rayquaza's tower before running off. This entire scene is just bullshit, we have a child intrude on a restricted area, act like a complete know it all in front of experts on the topic, steals an expensive piece of equipment, breaks it, [[KarmaHoudini and then just leaves with the narrative painting her as the correct one, getting away with everything]]. Zinnia was already a character I was iffy on, but after this scene, she became TheScrappy supreme in my eyes. I usually don't like seeing kids get hurt in media, but her getting stabbed by Rayquaza in Manga/PokemonAdventures honestly felt like the most validating AdaptationalKarma to me.
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25	!!!Generation VII
26	* StarAndroidJaguar: ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' had one in the demo: the confirmation of [[Anime/PokemonTheSeries Ash Greninja.]] They did so well designing the game, then [[PunctuatedForEmphasis almost. Completely. Blew it.]] By introducing that thing.
27	## [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Chesnaught and Delphox]] didn't get anything similar, so it excludes them and their fans. They could have just as easily added Mega Stones for the trio, like they made Z-Crystals unique to [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Decidueye, Incineroar and Primarina,]] making it seem even more half-assed.
28	## The only explanation I can think of for this folly is a VoodooShark. If the game [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids is for kids, then why does the game include one of, if not the most]] [[VileVillainSaccharineShow psychotic and terrifying villain in the series?]] [[MortonsFork If it's not,]] why introduce something from what is essentially an ascended Pokemon fan-fiction, due to {{The Anime Of The Game}} repeatedly being at odds with the games where it should not be?
29	## It could also possibly be a DiscOneNuke, for all the wrong reasons, namely being so over-leveled that any time it stops disobeying you results in a OneHitKill. Having such a strong pokemon at the beginning of the game destroys the purpose of training a good team yourself and growing affectionate towards them, instead advocating brute force of one Pokemon over tactics and clever use of all 6 party slots.
30	* @/{{Retloclive}}: ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'' made quite a few [[AuthorsSavingThrow Author Saving Throws]] fixing up a bunch of problems that plagued the original ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon Sun And Moon}}'' games. However, the new story that shoehorns in the Necrozma plot ended up making a travesty of Lillie's revamped journey. No longer does Lillie go through CharacterDevelopment where she starts off as a timid and weak-willed character due to the abuse she received from Lusamine, and over the course of the story, Lillie would eventually develop the courage to finally stand up to her mother. Instead, Lillie starts off in ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' as the timid and weak-willed girl abused by her mother, but because Lusamine was changed to no longer be as evil as she was in the original games, Lillie's journey instead changes to wanting to save the world from Necrozma rather than face the woman that abused her, and has apparently already forgiven Lusamine for no apparent reason. Take away a plethora of scenes that built up Lillie's character, such as her moment with the player on Exeggutor Island, and you're left with a shallow revamp of what used to be an incredible character arc.
31	** Trialman: I didn’t mind less of Lillie’s story myself, but I do agree on the point about Lusamine not being evil in Ultra. The change itself isn’t the problem, but I was particularly confused in relation to one scene that wasn’t changed. When you [[spoiler:first enter the inner sanctum of the Aether Foundation, and find Lusamine’s frozen Pokemon]]. In the originals, this was a WhamShot that quickly shows just how crazy she actually is. In Ultra, since she isn’t crazy anymore, the scene now makes no sense, and is borderline confusing, due to the implications of her being crazy still being there. Quite frankly, this lack of change comes off as completely lazy, as it could have easily been fixed by removing the frozen bodies from the map, which can’t be any harder than adding new maps. Hell, they even had the offending room given a different appearance for [[spoiler:the battle with Giovanni]], so obviously they could change it, but apparently, properly showing Lusamine is good this time wasn’t worth the effort.
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33	!!!Generation VIII
34	* thisisthebloke: The conclusion to Hop's character arc in ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'' is just baffling. The setup is quite interesting and pretty good: a motivated go-getter who's spent a decade working to become a better Trainer than his champion brother turns out to be way over in his head and gets defeated by his rivals so handily that he discards nearly his whole team (even including a partner that according to supplementary media he promised to take with him all the way). He does get better and more or less returns to his old self (and team) later, but of course, you being the player character seals his fate anyway. So he goes soul searching, which is perfectly respectable, and realizes that trying to defeat you is pointless. What is his solution, then? To...give up and instead become a Pokemon professor. I'm sorry, what? Dude spent more or less his whole life up to that point trying to overtake his brother (coming closer than anyone else aside from the one who ultimately toppled him mind you), and when facing the music of how hard that is for him...he just quits??? Effectively upending his entire character arc because SecondPlaceIsForLosers and changing course to something without an ounce of foreshadowing in the game??? You know, people constantly compare Hop to Hau, but frankly even if Hau doesn't have a character arc I think that's fine, since having no arc seems better than having a bad arc.
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36	!!!Pokémon Legends: Arceus
37	* KashimaKitty: The Sea's Legend mission. This mission asks you to solve a riddle that basically tells you that the answer is written in a book somewhere. Where is this book? In the Canalave Library in Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl, a completely different $60 game. Not only that, but the book is in the second shelf in a row of what would otherwise be generic, non-readable books, able to be entirely missed should you examine one of the shelves and assume they're all simply decoration. What inevitably happens is that one would search the answer out online and find a news article that immediately spoils what Pokemon is at the end of this questline.
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39	!!!Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
40	* Tropers/{{Thepenguinking2}}: I'll be honest, I found ''Rescue Team'''s plot to be fairly underrated. It may not be as complex as the later entries, but it still has some great moments, mainly with the bond that you and your partner develop throughout the adventure. This all culminates into the very end, where [[spoiler:The two of you convince Rayquaza to destroy the meteor, even at the risk of your own life. This then leads to the trademark TearJerker ending when you get sent back to the human world, leaving your partner heartbroken. This then leads to a SugerWiki/HeartwarmingMoment where you realize that your newly-made best friend is devastated by your departure, so you go against Gardevoir's task and send yourself back to the Pokémon world, with everyone, including your partner, welcoming you back with open arms!]] It's such a sweet ending, I loved it... and then [[spoiler:the very next morning, your partner tells you about the ability to appoint other leaders and leaves for the friend area, never talking to you, greeting you every morning, or visiting the town with you again.]] ...S-seriously? So you're telling me that [[spoiler:I spent this whole game developing an inseparable friendship with my rescue team partner, even braving fugitivity together, then joining to save the world by each other's side, and finally interrupting my departure back to the human world so that I can reunite with my new best friend, only for said best friend to basically give me the middle finger and basically never talk with me again!?]] That just undermines the heartwarming ending to such a degree that I'm glad that I never beat the original ''Rescue Team'' at any point. I'm sure I'd be sickened even as a kid if I got to that ending. Thankfully, ''DX'' fixes this [[spoiler: because of the new team system allowing you to have a different leader from the start. Your partner will still continue to greet you every morning and follow you around town, still showing the duo as the besties they always were.]] This change alone makes ''DX'', in my eyes, the superior ''Rescue Team'' experience. Still, scars never heal.
41	* Tropers/{{Videogmer314}}: ''[[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky]]''. The Perfect Apples incident. You're supposed to go to Apple Forest to collect Perfect Apples because Team Skull ate the stock while the guild was sleeping. Team Skull, being the jerks they are decide to give you a hard time (again) and follow you. When you get there, [[spoiler:Team Skull has beaten you to the punch and ambushes you, then steals the apples. Chatot decides this is somehow your team's fault, and he punishes you by making you go without dinner and face the wrath of the Guildmaster, only to find that Team Skull has saved one apple just for Wigglytuff just to rub salt into the wounds. The next morning, SmallNameBigEgo Chatot pretty much tells you "Don't get your hopes up" when asked about being picked to go on the upcoming expedition.]] This is what solidifies Chatot's status as TheScrappy of Time/Darkness/Sky by the way...
42	** fluffything: Aegis Cave. There's a very good reason why the entire dungeon is considered a [[ThatOneLevel Scrappy Dungeon]]. But the absolute DMOS-worthy moment is that the whole thing was little more than a glorified treasure hunt. That's right, you just went through several hours of tedious puzzles and the same dungeon over and over again just for some treasure. [[SarcasmMode Isn't that great!?]] About the only saving grace is that you can recruit the [[FanNickname Legendary Golems (Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Regigigas)]] afterwards, but is it really worth going through the whole mind-numbing boredom again?
43	* Cdv4 ''VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonGatesToInfinity''. originally I had [[spoiler: Hydreigon's death]] for how out of place and abrupt it was, and the fact that one of the only good characters [[spoiler: dies]], and I considered the ending for being way too long and feeling insulting, but what sealed the deal for me was when [[spoiler: Hydreigon got brought back]]. Seriously, it also wasn't even a clever or interesting way that they [[spoiler: brought back Hydreigon, instead, someone thought it was a good idea to have him come back because he's invincible, even though he can faint in dungeons, and was directly killed on screen. It just felt lazy how they did bring him back.]]
44	* Blazer_the_Delphox: ''VideoGame/PokemonSuperMysteryDungeon'' was easily my least favorite entry in the series. Thus, this moment did not do the game any favors at all. What would that be? The ending. Oh, boy. So, the game tells you very late that [[spoiler: you are the same human that fought alongside Mew against the Dark Matter in the ancient past.]] Okay, I can deal with that. The game has also led you to believe that [[spoiler: Nuzleaf and the Beheeyem were the ones that caused your amnesia.]] Hey! That's actually pretty interesting! And then you get to the ending after defeating the final boss. The game gives you a massive InfoDump that [[spoiler: completely negates the Nuzleaf reveal.]] Instead, [[spoiler: apparently, your partner is the reincarnation of Mew, and they gave you both anmesia for... reasons.]] And not only that, [[spoiler: since your partner has fulfilled their role in saving the world, they have to leave you.]] [[FlatWhat What.]] So instead of [[spoiler: having the player leave in the end, the partner does.]] The main issue I have with this ending is that not only does it imply that [[spoiler:[[DudeWheresMyRespect the player had no purpose in the world, even though they were the one leading the charge when it came to destroying the Dark Matter,]]]] but it also seems like the writers wanted to put a twist on the typical ''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon'' ending, and did so with a massive AssPull. And then there's the fact that the game [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot never explores]] [[spoiler: how Carracosta would've reacted to hearing that his child is essentially dead.]] Now, [[BaseBreakingCharacter if someone who liked]] [[spoiler: the partner]] calls bullshit on [[spoiler: them essentially dying,]] you've done something terribly, terribly wrong. A horrible ending to an already underwhelming game. [[SarcasmMode Great job, guys.]]
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46	!!!Pokémon Ranger
47	* Tropers/{{Arcadiarika}}: The spinoff series, ''VideoGame/PokemonRanger'', has the infamous Yellow Gem incident in ''Shadows of Almia''. After going through Hippowdon Temple and defeating one of the Gem Masters, Heath shows up and offers the gem for your partner. The kicker when you say "No"? [[ButThouMust "Oh? You not care about Keith? Not a very good friend?"]] That's right, you have to give the gem up for your partner despite him/her not being in complete danger. All that hard work ruined. [[SarcasmMode Nice work, GameFreak, Creatures, Inc., etc., for doing such an infuriating scene.]]

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