This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
gs68: I'm not gonna sit here idly. I'm moving the Trauma Center examples to the Action section. After all, isn't this the point of a wiki? To allow anyone to simply edit an article if something is wrong with it?
Pikawil: Would Audiosurf fit for this page due to its nature?
- Insanity Prelude: Depends how you define That One Boss for it, I guess. Unless you're on Ironmode, you can *pass* any song though (Ironmode, eh... there's probably songs that the average player just CAN'T not overfill on. TTFAF, I'm looking at you.) so I'm not sure it counts.
Excel-2009.
TsundeRay: I'd like to kindly request that the presence of TTFAF on a certain, similar-to-Guitar Hero rhythm game be not mentioned on the page. I have a bad feeling about what will happen if it's brought up.
Kitsunezeta: I don't think it's hard enough to qualify as That One Boss on any playable part on the game in question. Mainly because the company behind it shortened it for length and didn't have the intro run be played by anyone.
Idocreating: Anyone else find it strange that i can complete every song on the top difficulty in Elite Beat Agents, several with S ranks, yet i completely blow at Guitar Hero? Half of my joy in this wiki is finding stuff people have written as an example that is, word for word, exactly what I've done/seen/thought.
- TsundeRay: Not at all. EBA/OTO and Guitar Hero are very different games. I've S-ranked Ready Steady Go [Very Hard] on the original Ouendan, can clear 34's in Pop'n, and can competently play level 10 and 11 songs on DJMAX Portable's 6-button mode, but guitar games make me struggle because I'm not used to holding a button and hitting something else simultaneously. That, and I've yet to own any Guitar Hero or Rock Band games, as DJMAX and Bemani tend to take higher priority on my mental list of games to buy.
- Kitsunezeta: Agreed, although I'm the opposite: Good at Guitar Hero and Rock Band, decent at IIDX, sucky at a lot of other stuff.
Kitsunezeta: Okay, I don't agree with the notion of Bonus Bosses and Final Bosses being ineligible for That One Boss in this specific genre. The entire MAX SERIES of songs are technically Bonus Bosses (and Final Bosses, to boot, given how you access them on the arcade games they premiere on!). Hell, the image on the trope page shows a Bonus Boss chart of what is best described as a True Final Boss of Beat Mania DJ TROOPERS, which is accessed by entering the Military Splash (Bonus Boss) section no less than 8 times (thanks to Unknown Target songs being introduced in the PS 2 version) and Clearing/AA'ing/Hard AA'ing the songs in there. All 8 of them. Then you get Mendes for a One More Extra Stage. And let's not go into the implications of where DLC would fall into this if said "Bonus Boss" ineligibility was actually ENFORCED.
Insanity Prelude: Why were all the Bemani/DDR songs cut?
- TsundeRay: Technically, every Bemani song is optional due to the nature of the series, thus they don't fit the requirement.
- kitsunezeta: Also, I'll add that those were cut shortly after I made the paragraph above this. That said, a brief discussion on the forums resulted in relaxed definitions being accepted because of the nature of these games. We'd still have to go through what -was- cut and sort out the That One Boss ones from the Final Boss ones, which gets more complicated when you factor in that what was an extra stage on one mix is a standard song on a later one.
kitsunezeta: Copy-Pasta from the main page:
NOTE: Bonus Boss, Final Boss and Wake-Up Call Boss cannot be That One Boss without being overly hard by their standards. Please do not nonchalantly add them as examples.
This gives us fair reign to start adding in exceptionally hard DLC (I.E. The Dragonforce DLC for GH 3, Constant Motion on Rock Band, etc.) and other entries that were restricted from the prior phrasing of that. As that copy-paste says, do make sure you're actually adding a genuinely hard entry if it falls under the above. Devil Went Down To Georgia is That One Boss (half of it is due to the Battle Mode gimmick). Arguably, Contract (from IIDX Distorted) is not as bad, so it wouldn't qualify in my opinion.
