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HeartBurn Kid: Moved the page to X-Pac Heat, to fix indexing.

Cort Jstr: I know X-Pac Heat is the term used by the IWC but is this really different enough from The Scrappy to warrant its own entry?

HeartBurn Kid: Not really; The Scrappy is about a reaction to a character, X-Pac Heat is about a reaction to the person playing the character (usually). It's not booing because you don't like the character, it's booing because you're sick of the wrestler and want him to go away.

Cort Jstr: Good point. With somebody like him it's hard to divorce the character from the actor, since no matter what name he uses he's been playing X-Pac for years now.

Kilyle: Can we get some examples? I know we don't want this to turn into a list of all the actors some minor segment of the population hate enough to boycott, but some of the more famous examples would be useful.

HeartBurn Kid: Went ahead and put in some examples.

HeartBurn Kid: Cut out a long-winded, badly-spelled rant about how Chris Jericho was the original target of this and that Canadian smarks somehow retconned it to become "X-Pac Heat". Because, obviously the deafening chants of "X-Pac Sucks!", and the fact that, at a time when the entire WWF roster was face (fighting the heel WCW and ECW rosters), they still couldn't believably turn him because of said chants, were all somehow because of Chris Jericho?

Sorry about my spelling Heart Burn but how long have you been a wrestling fan, this happened a year befor the invation back whene scott keith and other cannadeans were at there most powerfull and was talked quite a bit online

I like Jericho as a personality and he is an good wrestler like Hart, Cena, and Punkm, however at the time he was bood alought if you don't beleaveme watch some videos of him in late 2000

HeartBurn Kid: I've been a wrestling fan since 1989. And late 2000? That's when he was at the height of popularity, thanks largely to calling Stephanie McMahon a bottom-feeding ho. There were a few people who didn't really like him, but they were a minority at best; calling it Fan Dumb just because others disagree with you is just plain stupid. Most telling, though, is that a Google search for "Jericho Heat" doesn't get any hits that support your definition. I'm taking it out.

Sorry about this heart burn but that happend in early 2000 there was quite a bit of backlash against Jericho at that time. Personaly I always liked Jericho and I got the term from a british wrestling sight that is no longer up. I call canadean smarks Fan Dumb becouse they seem to hate anyone who is populer, over 6 feet tall and from anouther country just look at how people treeted Cena and Punk before and after they got populer. I always like Jericho and was a huge Owen Heart fan but they never were great draws dispite being pushed to the moon. to me it seems that Vince loves small canadean men

HeartBurn Kid: OK, even if I buy into all this (and I don't necessarily, other than that Scott Keith is both Canadian and Fan Dumb), please tell me what any of this has to do with the discussion. X-Pac isn't over 6 feet, and he was never really popular (the closest he came is when he was mooching off of Hall and Nash's popularity in the nWo, and then from HHH and the New Age Outlaws' popularity in DX). And then there's the small fact that people actually use the term X-Pac Heat, and not just on an obscure and dead British wrestling forum. The concept had existed before the whole Invasion debacle, but it didn't really have a name (I saw some people refer to it as "dead heat", but that's something else entirely). I've been doing the internet wrestling community thing for a long, long time, and I've never, ever heard it referred to as Jericho Heat, simply because the man was always pretty over, even if he wasn't always very motivated in the ring (I will agree that, around late 2000, he had started to get kinda sloppy in-ring, but he was still getting pretty good cheers). And please sign your comments, so it doesn't look like I'm arguing with myself here.

Still HBK: Oh, and you have a very, very funny definition of being "pushed to the moon".

RAF: I know it was around before then but that fued is when I started hearing it referd to as X-Pac Heat. I've also ben around for a long time and this sight is the first place i've heared the term used since 2002. Also can you think of anyone not named Austen that was more over in 1998 then DX.

my fellow HBK fans if you don't call being repetidly being put in the main event desite only being mioldly over b eing pushed to the moon what whould you call it

HeartBurn Kid: OK, we're getting a little bit off subject here; if you want to keep discussing this, we should probably take this to the forums.

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As while likely true, these are all more examples of Scapegoat Creator. Generally, I am skeptical of the usefulness of the term outside of wrestling, especially when it applies to real creators, who people generally like or dislike... there's no sense of "heel heat" that may be appealed to.

- I think it's probably fair to say that most of this page is missing the point. X-Pac Heat doesn't just mean that a person is disliked and I don't think TV Tropes needs a page for us to list actors that suck. The term means a person or concept that fans are supposed to dislike, and do, but not in the right way. It's for irritating villains that fans despise such that they don't even want to see the hero defeat them, because that would mean having to watch them.

Loser Takes All: Changed this:

• Jennifer "J-Lo" Lopez is such an egotistical bitch in real life that some actually enjoyed watching her get slapped around in her insanely stupid battered woman film Enough.

To this:

• Jennifer "J-Lo" Lopez has a reputation as a prima donna in real life that causes some to root against her in her battered woman film Enough.

Because the original wording was excessively mean-spirited, what with the pro-domestic violence slant and all. Plus, I'm guessing whoever posted it doesn't actually know Lopez in real life.