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[1/12/06 at 12:24 PM by DropDeadGorgias 199.89.64.177] DDG: How is this different than a Continuity Nod? It seems like these examples have a little more Fourth Wall acknowledgement, but I don't see how it's different.
Dark Sasami: As I see it, that is the difference, and there are two examples on the Continuity Nod page that should go here instead. A Continuity Nod should be a nod toward the continuity of that show, not to fourth-wall influences. By definition, anything fourth-wall-ish is outside the actual continuity.
fleb: I cut the Rattrap pagequote, because it seems more like a Continuity Nod than a gag, considering G1 is in-continuity with Beast Wars, and Prime would be basically George Washington to them.
Willy Four Eyes: Removed this entry:
- * In the webfiction Whateley Universe
, Phase's first super-fight (before she even has a superhero codename or knows how to use her new powers) has a scene which is a clear homage to a fight scene from another series (the "Lady Lightning" stories) written by a different canon author (under the nom de plume Bek D. Corbin). Similarly, the "Lady Lightning" character is treated as being just as popular as the Spiderman and Superman franchises, with a Lady Lightning movie coming out during the fall term of school, with Teri Hatcher supposedly playing the part.
...because this belongs in Shout-Out, not Mythology Gag. Also, I know There Is No Such Thing As Notability, but a lot of these "Whateley" entries seem to carry the faint stench of "cheap plug".
fleb: Cut, because: What the last editor said.
- * The Spectacular Spider Man cartoon is just flooded with characters named for people from the comics. Every. Single. Character. Has their name taken from somewhere in the comics.
** This climaxes with a scene which had this troper saying, "OK, Peter, you just leave bumbling do-gooder Eddie Brock, well-meaning Mad Scientist Doc Connors, and friendly neighbourhood electrician Max Dillon... alone... in a genetics lab with terrible security..."
** Well, these are more Early Bird Cameos, it is an Animated Adaptation of a comic with Loads And Loads Of Characters, after all.
Vampire Buddha: I've cleaned up the Transformers section, added a bunch more examples, and moved it to Wester Animation.
- MegaMan ZX Advent has quite a few of these, such as the model train you're send to recover in one Fetch Quest. It's identical to the trains used in various missions in the Zero series. Another mission has you recover various "artifacts" that are all from the original MegaMan series, such as an Energy Balancer (from 6) and a Life Tank (from 5).
Nezumi: Moving to Continuity Nod; these all cover the main continuity of the series, which includes Original Series, X, Zero, ZX, and maybe Legends — Zero provides some hints that it might be linked, but it's not decisive.
Looney Toons: Removed
- There's also the fact that they use the Fan Nickname "Elf" for Nightcrawler.
because "Fuzzyelf" was Kitty's nickname for Nightcrawler dating all the way back to the 1980s and earlier. If anything, the Fan Nickname came from her usage.
Daibhid C: Pulled this:
- On Torchwood, Captain John Hart, played by James Marsters, has a bit of dialog which may be a subtle mythology gag reference to his time as Spike on Buffy The Vampire Slayer: during a speech where he tries to convince Torchwood that he's seen the value in human society and wants to turn over a new leaf, he interrupts himself to express his lust toward a poodle. When Spike tried to convince the Scoobies that he'd seen the light and wanted to fight on the side of good (He did, but only because it was the only remaining outlet for his love of violence), and comically unable to come up with a compelling defense of goodness, he references fighting to save puppies and kittens.
That's not a mythology gag. It might be The Alkazar, but honestly it seems like a bit of a stretch to me.
Nezumi: Do the Megaman Legends examples fall under this or Continuity Nod? As of the moment, Megaman Legends is part of the same continuity as what it's referencing... but this was only established with a later Word of God Retcon. At the time they were made, they were pretty obviously an alternate universe.
Daibhid C: Pulled this:
- The Merlin episode featuring Lancelot has Merlin ask Guinevere who she'd choose, Lancelot or Arthur. Guinevere responds that, since she's a serving girl and they're a knight and the crown prince, there's no point in choosing. In more conventional versions of the King Arthur story, the Love Triangle thus dismissed is rather central to the plot.
because Season 2 reveals this as ironic foreshadowing...
