This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Midas Mint: Description has way too much "take that boys!". Grrl power! As effective as flower power.
Colin: The line "For some reason, while heroic Action Girls often fail to live up to their reputation, Dark Action Girls rarely do." is confusing. It seems to be saying that both Action Girl and Dark Action Girl don't live up to their hype, whereas the rest of the paragraph says Action Girl don't live up to their hype and Dark Action Girl do live up to their hype.
Morgan Wick: Someone probably meant something like "always" for "rarely".
Binaroid: I parsed that sentence as "For some reason, while heroic Action Girls often (fail to live up to their reputation), Dark Action Girls rarely do (fail to live up to their reputation)."
Morgan Wick: Well then, the whole sentence probably needs to be rewritten.
Seth: This was a simple error, you could have fixed it rather than reported it.
Lale: I wrote the original sentence, and I already rewrote it.
Dark Sasami: Faith from BTVS is listed both here and at Dark Magical Girl, which would seem to be mutually exclusive categories. Looks like we need to sort this out.
I would place Faith squarely under Dark Magical Girl, because she's not an invulnerable badass. She's a scared and messed-up kid who does a Heel–Face Turn after exposing her vulnerability to both Buffy and Angel, and the only reason it takes so long for it to happen is that neither of them is The Messiah.
Objections?
Seth Somewhere that isn't his home: I would object, DMG is more or less exclusive to the magical girl genre - which buffy sure as hell isn't.
Dark Sasami: Just because Buffy isn't animated in Tokyo doesn't mean Faith doesn't fit the other trope better. After all, we allow non-anime Five Man Bands.
Scifantasy: I've fixed up the entries for Faith both here and in Dark Magical Girl. Frankly, Faith seems to me to split the difference.
You know, this seems to also be pointing out another problem with the article. There are plenty of Dark Action girls who do Heel Face Turns. It's much less common then Dark Magical Girl, but not very rare either.
"C'mon. Ty Lee's too cute and funny to be dark." Uh, the "Dark" in the trope title refers to their villainous alignment, not their wardrobe.
She's not very evil either. She's more or less shanghiged into coming along by Azula out of the power of friendship (Villain edition!) She's never seen doing anything bad other then fighting the main charaters.
ccoa: I don't think either Mai or Ty Lee belong on this page - other than being action girls and villains, they don't otherwise fit the definition. Particularly since The Burning Rock episode.
Lale: Action Girl + villain is the trope. The "minion" in Perky Female Minion also implies "villain"; there's no rules that say a giggly, bubbly girl who likes pink is automatically too sweet to be a villain.
ccoa: Not according to the description, it's not the trope. I never said they aren't villains, but if you read farther than the first paragraph or so, they don't fit any of the requirements beyond the title:
"he Dark Action Girl is the Dark Magical Girl's polar opposite, fiercely independent, cruelly carefree, and rarely interested in making friends. Just as the Dark Magical Girl almost always does a Heel Face Turn, the Dark Action Girl almost never does. If she is brought over to the side of good, even if only for an episode, expect her to be hesitant about it at best. Typically the Dark Action Girl will only aid the Action Girl against another villain because she considers herself The Only One Allowed To Defeat You."
Lale: IMHO that's to differentiate this character from a Dark Magical Girl, and it's clear these three aren't Dark Magical Girls.
fleb: I think the in-your-face look-out-for-number-one attitude of the Dark Action Girl is pivotal, considering the examples I know enough about— Shego, Blackarachnia, and Larxene. Azula's probably this, but the other two definitely have never been Dark Action Girl, so I cut them.
Robert Bingham: Who deleted the Shego pic from the page?
alliterator: Apparently, it was a hotlinked Wikipedia image. I uploaded it onto the TV Tropes site and put it back on the page.
Lale: Isn't Raven more of a Dark Magical Girl?
fleb: Cutting this for the reasons the natter said. An Action Girl on the bad guys' side does not a Dark Action Girl make. It's a personality type. And Cornelia, at least, is a Lady of War.
MrBrownstone: Uh, shouldn't this be a Darth Wiki entry? It certainly fits the theme.
ccoa: Removed the following:
- Arya Stark of A Song Of Ice And Fire is one, with hints of outright Heroic Sociopath. She has a list of people who have wronged her, and who she fully intends to kill. She's already killed some of them, and indirectly caused the deaths of others. She's recently joined a death-worshiping assassin's guild. Oh yeah, and she's about twelve years old.
Because this has Alternate Character Interpretation written all over it. The list of people she intends to kill is a list of people who killed her father, raped and murdered people (some of whom were people she knew and cared about), and are, with one or two exceptions, the villains of the series. While this makes her an Anti-Hero, killing the bad guys, regardless of the age you start doing it, does not make one the villain. And one must be a villain to fit the definition of this trope.
