Archived Discussion Main / BaitAndSwitchCredits

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Prfnoff: Took out the Monty Python and the Holy Grail entry, because, while the silly credits are famous, they aren't actually using fake footage — the joke is all the nonsensical lines of text surrounding the actual credits. This would be great for a "gag credits" trope, though:

Film example: Monty Python and the Holy Grail begins with dark, dramatic, epic-style music....then faux-Swedish subtitles start showing up, as well as a "The characters and incidents portrayed and the names used are fictitious" disclaimer purportedly signed by Richard M. Nixon. These are followed by a notice that the people responsible for the fault in the subtitles had been "sacked", then a notice saying the people who were supposed to sack those responsible for the fault in subtitles were also sacked. Then nonsensical gag credits revolving around moose start appearing. Eventually, we are told "The directors of the firm hired to continue the credits after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked," and the credits begin flashing in seizure-inducing colors, while gag credits related to llamas start appearing and Mexican music plays in the background. All this nonsense, and the movie hasn't even started yet.

Andyroid: And now there is, so I've copied it over thar.

As a native speaker of Swedish, I'd say the subtitles look more like Norwegian or Danish than Swedish (the most obvious sign is that they use ø and not ö, but also the word used resemble Norwegian and Danish more than Swedish).

Allielle wearing pants (she's always bare-legged and it's unclear if she even wears underwear)

I can't help thinking, "You promised us PANTS, damnit! As God is my witness, I DEMAND PANTS, sir!"

Dark Sasami: Is it so set in stone that nothing that happens in the credits can ever happen in the show that it's a subversion when they do? I think not. Removing the "subversion" example.

Looney Toons: I would rather you have kept it, because at least in my experience, the footage has the look of the kind of over-the-top "look how obscenely powerful this person is" clip that is never actually seen in the series proper — and then it is exactly what she does. It was so unexpected for me that it actually prompted me to create this entry.

Dark Sasami: From Subverted Trope, "When a screenwriter successfully builds an expectation that a trope is coming, then..." In this case, you had an expectation, but it wasn't one intentionally set up by a screenwriter in order to knock it down. Subversion requires intent. This is an Averted Trope.

A parallel I would draw is that this is not a subversion in the same way that Surprisingly Good English is not a subversion of Gratuitous English...which, now that I check it, incorrectly lists that as a subversion as well...argh. Subversion is NOT in the eye of the beholder!

Looney Toons: Fair enough. I have changed my restoration to cite it as an Aversion, not a Subversion.

Uhl: This trope was actually subverted in the final arc of "Slayers." In the opening, Lina Inverse is worriedly looking over her shoulder at her sister riding a dragon and a little sign appears saying "Sorry, opening only."

Looney Toons: Go ahead and add it to the main entry, then. This is a wiki after all, and you have already become part of the wiki magic.

Solomon Grundy want pants, too!

Ununnilium: Taking out the new Scooby-Doo "exception"; this trope is mostly just in the original series. Also, IMHO, the Monty Python example needs to be cut back down.

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On the Fullmetal Alchemist entry, though the Dragon/Snake thing doesn't appear in any of the episodes those titles are used for, it looks distinctly resembles Envy's appearance in the FMA movie (briefly seen in the finale, IIRC). It's never seen in the circumstances shown in the titles, so the trope still holds, but the example given here isn't entirely accurate.

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