Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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Okay. Not count Terra, Aqua and Ven who I am waiting for more opinions on.
- Kingdom Hearts: Riku and Kingdom Hearts: Kairi were merged with Kingdom Hearts: Destiny Islands Trio.
- Kingdom Hearts: Roxas, Kingdom Hearts: Axel, and Kingdom Hearts: Xion were merged with Kingdom Hearts: Roxas, Axel, and Xion.
Everyone else was fine to stay separate.
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Okay, cool. I think I got 'em all; I'm fine with the other merge.
EDIT: Besides Belial, more Ultra stuff:
- Ultraman Taiga: 129k+
- Ultraman Trigger: New Generation Tiga
- The Giants of Light: 15.6k
- The Dark Giants: 83.6k
- GUTS-Select: 38k+
- Kaiju and Aliens: 39k
- Other Characters: 29.4k
Edited by ACW on May 3rd 2024 at 2:48:55 PM
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Re: Frozen - yes, we chatted about combining Elsa and Anna, and adding Hans to a “Foreign Nations” group with others.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
- The Legend of Korra - New Team Avatar (24,677 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Avatar Korra (155,863 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Asami Sato (74,341 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Mako (60,286 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Bolin (54,328 bytes)
Mako and Bolin added back would be 139,291 bytes. With Asami added back it would be 213,632. I would suggest just adding back Bolin and Mako as with Asami added back her folder would be hard to navigate, but adding her back is doable. Either was Korra is fine.
- The Legend of Korra - Enemies Seasons 1 and 2 (175,721 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Amon (49,388 bytes)
Together it would be 225,109 bytes. I think it is safe to merge back.
- The Legend of Korra - Enemies Seasons 3 and 4 (127,195 bytes)
- The Legend Of Korra - Zaheer (46,312 bytes)
- The Legend of Korra - Kuvira (77,240 bytes)
Together it would be 250,747 bytes. So, I would merge Zaheer back but keep Kuvira separate.
Thoughts?
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Animu
Yes, do it.
Anna, Elsa and Hans' page have now been merged, all of them being put under new pages.
Speaking of which, looking at Tangled's main character page I wonder if it's possible to merge Cassandra and Varian under a new page like Tangled: The Series Main Characters? Together with Lance (whose page is only around 10k bytes), the page is going to be around 230k bytes, just enough to contain them.
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Hey, can someone please index and fix the top index at Frozen Animals and Frozen Magical Creatures? Scratch that. I just redirected both to Frozen
EDIT: I did two of the Ultra stuff, but Ultraman Trigger: New Generation Tiga will be a formatting pain with everything.
EDIT 2: I checked. Ace Attorney: Wright Anything Agency can absorb both Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright & Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice without triggering the warning; ditto Ace Attorney: Main Prosecutors with Ace Attorney: Miles Edgeworth & Ace Attorney: Franziska von Karma. And obviously Ace Attorney: Witnesses and Other Characters - Trials and Tribulations can easily absorb Ace Attorney: Dahlia Hawthorne. I'd do it myself, but doing changing the page-top indices for every single page...yeah, I'm just not feeling it.
Edited by ACW on May 4th 2024 at 4:58:36 AM
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Characters.The Elder Scrolls Daedric Princes is triggering the too-long notice, and doesn't have any sub-headings. Can it be subdivided into categories or is it time to create CSPs?
Edited by MorganWick on May 5th 2024 at 1:23:50 AM
(Elden Ring) I think suggestions 1 and 3 work but 2 will likely trigger the warning fairly soon as the page inflates. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Edited by lexii on May 5th 2024 at 10:10:20 AM
This post covers suggestion 2, but the resultant page would become less than 170k bytes.
Related to suggestion 3, I have created 3 sandboxes:
- Elden Ring Demigods (containing In General tropes for Demigods and Messmer; 44,825 bytes)
- Elden Ring Demigods Godfreys Lineage (containing Godfrey, Godwyn, Godefroy, Godrick, Morgott and Mohg; 213,091 bytes)
- Elden Ring Demigods Radagons Lineage (containing Radahn, Rykard, Ranni The Witch and Miquella; 196,917 bytes). Malenia's page is 114,689 bytes and too large for the page.
Are the Sandboxes good enough?
Edited by kuchiki222 on May 5th 2024 at 6:20:49 AM
X12
- Kingdom Hearts: Terra, Aqua, and Ventus - 19,242 characters
- Kingdom Hearts: Terra - 54,873 charcters
- Kingdom Hearts: Aqua - 61,835 characters
- Kingdom Hearts: Ventus - 42,736 characters
- Total: 178,686 characters
Merge all three back into Kingdom Hearts: Terra, Aqua, and Ventus
Edited by angeldusthotel on May 5th 2024 at 7:49:37 AM
For Franchise.Halloween (not counting the more complex pages covering multiple iterations):
- Characters.Halloween (52,669 characters)
- Jamie Lloyd (65,800 characters)
- Rachel Carruthers (41,398 characters)
- Tina Williams (46,404 characters)
Total is 206,271. Merge?
Go ahead, it seems like an extremely easy merge and the continuities of those characters seem to be done for now.
Edited by Remulus on May 5th 2024 at 8:58:39 AM
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Are Michael, Laurie, and Loomis staying separate?
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- Harley Quinn (2019): Harley's Crew - 114,696 characters
- Harley Quinn (2019): The Character - 58,212 characters
- Total: 172,908 characters
- Harley Quinn (2019): The Character - 58,212 characters
- Harley Quinn (2019): Supervillains - 86,156 characters
- Harley Quinn (2019): Legion of Doom - 66,626 characters
- Total - 152,782 characters
- Harley Quinn (2019): Legion of Doom - 66,626 characters
Another easy merge.
Animu
Yes, you can do these.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I would merge Laurie over Jamie. She is much smaller than Jamie.
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In the case of Michael, Laurie and Loomis, they cover multiple continuities, like the 2007 and 2018 films, which both have separate pages so perhaps they could be split between them.
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(Which makes me wonder how the heck THAT happened. From my admittedly limited knowledge of the series, Laurie's the character I most associate with the series, second after only Myers.)
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True enough I guess.
Edited by ACW on May 5th 2024 at 1:39:14 PM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Eh. Screentime doesn't necessarily correlate to "having a lot of associated tropes".
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And speaking of horror merges, if we want to:
- Child's Play can absorb Child's Play: Chucky & Child's Play: Tiffany Valentine.
- A Nightmare on Elm Street: Freddy Krueger and Friday the 13th: Jason Voorhees are in weird positions with the multiple continuities and such.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Jason is also weird as every other character is listed by film and it wouldn't make sense to list him under a specific one or the main page where he would be the only character.
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Bullman, mind doing me a favor and either listing or re-providing that link of what got merged for KH and where? There's probably some CM stuff that needs adjusting.
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