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openAbout uploading reprise videos...
If you upload the full video for one song, is it okay to include the same video (or part of it) if you upload an example for Triumphant Reprise?
Example: "When Love is Gone" for Break Up Song and "When Love is Gone & Found" for Triumphant Reprise.
Edited by TrendingToon1openOverboarding promotional material in the work description
At the bottom of the description for Godzilla Minus One, there's a long list of video material for the movie. Does this feel appropriate? What about moving the list into a single line of text?
Promotional materials:
- Official Japanese Website
- First Teaser Trailer
- Second Teaser Trailer
- Official Trailer
- Official Trailer 2
- Final Trailer
- Godzilla Minus One/C (Japanese version)
- Godzilla Minus One/C (English)
resolved Franchises Across Multiple Media Categories
I launched Melting Pot Sci-Fi Setting yesterday. During TLP I arranged the Star Trek and Star Wars examples into their own Franchise folders. I did this because these are media Franchises with shared lore that all rely on the trope, so scattering be between different media categories makes things hard to follow.
During the TLP there was discussion about me initially alphabetizing this incorrectly but nobody seemed to mind me keeping the Franchises together: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=6i0kr1c7noxf5im7knrfo4op
However ~Nejiiuyn has edited the page and split them up and now it's confusing:
I don't want to just reverse this as I'd be edit warring but I did want to bring it here for discussion.
openWanting to avoid an edit war Videogame
On Unicorn Overlord:
- Lord Twibill made an edit to the beginning to the page that contained a Sinkhole.
- I removed citing it to be a sinkhole.
- Smeagol 17 partly restored it citing "it is not wrong. the game is both".
I understand that the game is an RTS game but I do think the linking is a bit reductive. However, in the interest of avoiding an edit war, I want to ask here what to do before I make any edits.
openFormatting question
What do you do if the work has parentheses () or an apostrophe ‘ in the title?
How do you create a work page for it?
openEdit war on "Deadpool and Wolverine"
On YMMV.Deadpool And Wolverine, bud0011 added this example on April 24, 2024:
- Crosses the Line Twice: Giant Man's Skull being used as a base on its own works as Body Horror, but if you combine it with Paul Rudd's memetic The Ageless-ness, it becomes Black Comedy that something eventually did him in.
I removed it a few days later, citing discussion here.
On May 12, bud0011 readded it, unchanged, with the edit reason being a link to a clip from the movie of Deadpool essentially making the same joke.
While I do believe the example could now stay if rewritten to be about Deadpool's quip and not a version of Fridge Brilliance, it's still an edit war, as it appears to have been readded without discussion.
Edited by MisterApes-a-lotresolved Page to cut, misuse.
UnintentionalUncannyValley.Fan Works and UnintentionalUncannyValley.Tabletop Games were removed from Unintentional Uncanny Valley as all examples were intentional and moved to Uncanny Valley.
Is there a reason the pages were not cut or should they be.
openInconsistency in page titles for a video game series. Videogame
Cross posting with the games' Discussion Page and forum thread but posting it here since no one pays attention to those pages.
Basically, the Super Robot Wars pages are inconsistent on whether or not they use the "expanded" titles for their games or not. For example, we have a page for Super Robot Wars Advance, even though Super Robot Wars A is what other sites use and it's what the art on our page uses. This is admittedly an extreme case since the Updated Re-release was on the PSP and it was very explicitly A and not Advance there, but it's equally true for Super Robot Wars Judgment which is usually referred to as Super Robot Wars J. We don't even have it as a redirect. The same is true for a bunch of other games in the series.
And then we have Super Robot Wars V, but no Super Robot Wars Voyage.
Given that the expanded titles aren't really part of the game or packaging or anything as far as I can tell (I'd say it's All There in the Manual but the games I own where this applies do not have manuals) I'd like to move all the pages to their shortened versions and turned the expanded versions into redirects.
Edited by LarkmarnopenTwoferTokenMinority parameters
For Twofer Token Minority, does "minority" mean:
- minority amongst the characters in the show
- minority amongst the assumed demographics of the setting
Like does gay count as a minority trait if it's a Cast Full of Gay show? I thought that Token Minority dealt with handling, which would suggest #1?
Specifically asking because I think Louis in Interview with the Vampire (2022) is not a Twofer Token Minority. He's gay, but nearly all the main characters in the show are gay and bi men, so he's not a token. But I'd like to get a second opinion before I make the edit.
Edited by EievieopenAccount creation date
How is it that there are a few accounts with a creation date of 1969? Did this website even exist at that time?
openMemetic Loser misuse and formatting.
Biohazard 2035 added this to YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- Memetic Loser: The Alicorn Princess who are not Twilight Sparkle (and by extension Flurry Heart, as she is just a baby and not even capable of being aware of her full surroundings) get this to a degree, due to often suffering *The Worf Effect by getting easily knocked out or defeated by whatever villain or big threat is showing up, especially in the two partner episode. Its to the point their power is nearly an *Informed Attribute. Despite this, they do get some moments to prove their power and accomplish things, although often only after being saved by the Mane 6 or others first.
- Princess Celestia gets this worse of the other Alicorns. She has gotten hit with *The Worf Effect the most, having usually been the first to fall to whatever villain it is she faced. Just about everytime she intervenes directly, she gets easily beaten (of note against Nightmare Moon in the present, Queen Chrystalis, and even Cozy Glow, a child, at one point, among many other times). This and her tendency to sit on the sidelines and do nothing but give vague advice during certain threats(depending on the episode) has landed her with a reputation as a pushover whose existence is mainly to serve as canon fodder or even a *Red Shirt to demonstrate the power of whatever villain needs establishing. Even taking into account her feats of magic and victories in-universe prior to the series, her track record on-screen left much to be desired.
Besides them having formatting problems I've brought up earlier, these entries are similar to what prior ATT argreed to cut as just canon losses, not how fans exaggerate them. While this is slightly better about how exaggerated, it still states those canon mitigations are not enough/Informed Attributes so legit complaints not fan exaggerations. Also fans dislike/reject these moments as part of their fanon portrayal as opposed to let it influence them to portray them as even bigger losers in fanworks so I think misuse there.
Permission to cut?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenConcerning Fridge Horror Removals on BJF
I noticed that in the Fridge page for Become Jehovah's Friend, tarponpet removed an entry on Fridge Brilliance and the entirety of the Fridge Horror section.
While their reasoning makes sense for the Fridge Brilliance entry, it doesn't really explain the removal of the entire Fridge Horror section, which from what I've heard about the show (and to an extent JW as a whole) has valid concerns.
Would it be alright for me to restore?
Edit: fixed typing errors and specified which page.
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryresolved Too similar tropes
I saw that for the amazing digital circus character page, Ragatha has both Captain Ersatz and expy. I don't think she should have both given that they have subtle differences. What do y'all think?
openBonus/special edition tracks on an album
If an album has a bonus track or other song only included on certain editions of an album (e.g. a special/deluxe edition), how should that be included in the "Tracklist" section of the album's work page?
I'm working on a page for an album that has a track that's only included on certain versions, such as some later remasters and the Japanese release, but I'm not sure how to list that. At first, I thought of having a note by the last track of the album which says "Some versions of the album contain an additional track known as "Song Title" (Length)" when clicked on, but I'm not sure if that's the correct formatting.
Edited by punkcrowopenDeleted Work
Fortune Favors the Brave has been deleted. The link to the page no longer works and I have been unable to find any backups on Way Back Machine or Archive Today. Based on the page's history, the work was paused/deleted sometime in July 2021.
I was able to find the author's AO3 account, as well as their Tumblr account, which show that they are still active and writing as of today. According to this Tumblr post, the author was very disappointed with a certain episode of the series and how it portrayed the characters, which made them no longer want to continue working on Fortune Favors the Brave, so they decided to delete the fic and rework it later. However, this never seemed to happen and there have been no further posts on this work since November 2021, so it looks like the idea has been completely abandoned.
Should I move this page to DarthWiki.Unpublished Works?
openNot Since Carrie help Literature
Hi, I am thinking about creating a page for the book Not Since Carrie: Forty Years of Broadway Musical Flops by Ken Mandelbaum. But I’m unsure what category it would belong to, as it’s non fiction and is a history/reference book about the risky world of musical theatre. Hope you can help fellow Tropers, thanks.
I think there is a possible edit war on YMMV.Hilda.
Back in December 11, 2023, Nic Master Trope added a Base-Breaking Character entry covering Anders from S3, which I then deleted since it violates No Recent Examples, Please! (as it had only been a couple of days after the season aired (december 7) and examples require a six month waiting period after the work/season's release). However, on April 29, 2024, Nic Master Troper re-added and expanded the example, once again violating No Recent Examples, Please! (waiting period for S3 examples is not over til June 7) and ignoring the commented out saying not to put such examples until the waiting period is up.
I am taking it here, because I want to avoid an edit war and the user has now violated No Recent Examples, Please! twice.
Edited by Tylerbear12