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** Chip Franco in "Traveled" was a bully to Johnathan back in high school but it's not hard to feel sorry for him since his life went downhill after since them because of his own mistakes, which even he acknowledges. He has seriously let himself go since his days of being an athletic star quarterback, is a gambling addict with debts to pay, lives alone in a rundown apartment with barely any running water, works in a dead-end job as a restaurant waiter, and his even more horrible ex-wife, Heather St. Cloud, has custody of their kids, Audrey and Chip Jr, and constantly hassles him for alimony and child support while threatening to get their lawyers involved. It helps that, unlike Heather, Chip has at least matured over the years enough to give up his bullying ways, accept his own failures, and try to be a good parent to Audrey and Chip Jr. (certainly better than Heather).
** Kwan becomes this in "Blackmailed". Sure, he's a PeerPressuredBully and was a terrible boyfriend to Star, but he genuinely cares about her and is the least horrible member of the A-Listers as he doesn't bear Team Phantom any true malice despite being jealous of Danny dating Star since he's accepted that she is happy with him. Also, he's become so horrified and disgusted by the lengths Colette is willing to sink to just to ruin Star's life and steal Danny from her that he absolutely refuses to be involved in any of her schemes to split the couple up... until she blackmails him with an embarrassing secret. Kwan is then forced to help Colette frame Team Phantom for crimes they didn't commit and then blackmail Danny into dating her. He only grows more miserable and guilt-ridden with time while being constantly treated like dirt by Colette, and even when he decides to disregard her threats and come clean, he's now TrappedInVillainy due to the risk of going down with Colette due to his history with the A-Listers despite his fear and remorse. The harmful impact his unwilling assistance in Colette's actions have had on Team Phantom leaves him conflicted on whether he should try to stop Colette and risk getting in trouble, along with Star possibly hating him forever, or keep quiet and be forced to watch the girl he loves suffer.

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** Chip Franco in "Traveled" was a bully to Johnathan back in high school but it's not hard to feel sorry for him since his life went downhill after since them over the years because of his own mistakes, which even he acknowledges. He has seriously let himself go since his days of being an athletic star quarterback, is a gambling addict with debts to pay, lives alone in a rundown apartment with barely any running water, and works in a dead-end job as a restaurant waiter, and waiter while his even more horrible ex-wife, Heather St. Cloud, has custody of their kids, Audrey and Chip Jr, and constantly hassles him for alimony and child support while threatening to get their lawyers involved. It helps that, unlike Heather, Chip has at least matured over the years enough to give up his bullying ways, accept his own failures, and try to be a good parent to Audrey and Chip Jr. (certainly better than Heather).
** Kwan becomes this in "Blackmailed". Sure, he's a PeerPressuredBully and was a terrible boyfriend to Star, but he genuinely cares about her and is the least horrible member of the A-Listers as he doesn't bear Team Phantom any true malice despite being jealous of Danny dating Star since he's accepted that she is happy with him.Danny. Also, he's become so horrified and disgusted by the lengths Colette is willing to sink to just to ruin Star's life and steal Danny from her that he absolutely refuses to be involved in any of her schemes to split the couple up... until she blackmails him with an embarrassing secret. Kwan is then forced to help Colette frame Team Phantom for crimes they didn't commit and then blackmail Danny into dating her. He only grows more miserable and guilt-ridden with time while being constantly treated like dirt by Colette, and even when he decides to disregard her threats and come clean, he's now TrappedInVillainy due to the risk of going down with Colette her due to his history with the A-Listers despite his fear and remorse. The harmful impact his unwilling assistance in Colette's actions have had on Team Phantom leaves him conflicted on whether he should try to stop Colette and risk getting in trouble, along with Star possibly hating him forever, or keep quiet and be forced to watch the girl he loves suffer.
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** Chip Franco was a bully to Johnathan in the past but it's not hard to feel sorry for him since his life went downhill after high school because of his own mistakes, which even he acknowledges. He has seriously let himself go since his days of being an athletic star quarterback in high school, he's a gambling addict with debts to pay, he lives alone in a rundown apartment with barely any running water, he works in a dead-end job as a waiter at a restaurant, and his even more horrible ex-wife Heather St. Cloud has custody of their kids and constantly hassles him for alimony and child support while threatening to get their lawyers involved. It helps that, unlock Heather, he has matured over the years and while still a jerk, he has given up his bullying ways, accepted his own failures, and tries to be a good parent to his kids Audrey and Chip Jr. (certainly better than Heather).
** Kwan becomes this in "Blackmailed". Sure he's a PeerPressuredBully and was a terrible boyfriend to Star but he genuinely cares about her and is the least horrible member of the A-Listers as he doesn't bare Team Phantom any true malice despite being jealous of Danny for dating Star since he's accepted that Star is happy with him and he becomes increasingly horrified and disgusted by the lengths Colette is willing to sink to just to ruin Star's life and steal Danny from her to the point he absolutely refuses to be involved in any of her schemes to split the couple up until she blackmails him into helping her frame Team Phantom for crimes they didn't commit to get them away from Danny and blackmail him into dating her. He only gets more miserable and guilt ridden with time since he's constantly treated like dirt by Colette and the negative impact his unwilling assistance in her crimes have had on Team Phantom has left him conflicted on whether he should try to stop Colette and risk getting in trouble along with Star possibly hating him forever or keep quiet and be forced to watch the girl he loves suffer.
* MemeticLoser: Colette is becoming this because not only do her schemes backfire and turn everyone against her out of disgust for her unhealthy obsession with Danny, but NOTHING she does can get Danny to like her regardless if he's single or dating Star, even when he had total amnesia it only took a few hours for him to get completely sick of her rotten personality and ditch her.

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** Chip Franco in "Traveled" was a bully to Johnathan back in the past high school but it's not hard to feel sorry for him since his life went downhill after high school since them because of his own mistakes, which even he acknowledges. He has seriously let himself go since his days of being an athletic star quarterback in high school, he's quarterback, is a gambling addict with debts to pay, he lives alone in a rundown apartment with barely any running water, he works in a dead-end job as a waiter at a restaurant, restaurant waiter, and his even more horrible ex-wife ex-wife, Heather St. Cloud Cloud, has custody of their kids kids, Audrey and Chip Jr, and constantly hassles him for alimony and child support while threatening to get their lawyers involved. It helps that, unlock unlike Heather, he Chip has at least matured over the years and while still a jerk, he has given enough to give up his bullying ways, accepted accept his own failures, and tries try to be a good parent to his kids Audrey and Chip Jr. (certainly better than Heather).
** Kwan becomes this in "Blackmailed". Sure Sure, he's a PeerPressuredBully and was a terrible boyfriend to Star Star, but he genuinely cares about her and is the least horrible member of the A-Listers as he doesn't bare bear Team Phantom any true malice despite being jealous of Danny for dating Star since he's accepted that Star she is happy with him and he becomes increasingly him. Also, he's become so horrified and disgusted by the lengths Colette is willing to sink to just to ruin Star's life and steal Danny from her to the point that he absolutely refuses to be involved in any of her schemes to split the couple up up... until she blackmails him into helping her with an embarrassing secret. Kwan is then forced to help Colette frame Team Phantom for crimes they didn't commit to get them away from Danny and then blackmail him Danny into dating her. He only gets grows more miserable and guilt ridden guilt-ridden with time since he's while being constantly treated like dirt by Colette, and even when he decides to disregard her threats and come clean, he's now TrappedInVillainy due to the risk of going down with Colette due to his history with the A-Listers despite his fear and the negative remorse. The harmful impact his unwilling assistance in her crimes Colette's actions have had on Team Phantom has left leaves him conflicted on whether he should try to stop Colette and risk getting in trouble trouble, along with Star possibly hating him forever forever, or keep quiet and be forced to watch the girl he loves suffer.
* MemeticLoser: Colette is becoming this because not only do her schemes backfire and turn everyone against her out of disgust for her unhealthy obsession with Danny, her, but NOTHING she does can get Danny to like her regardless if he's single or dating Star, even Star. Even when he had total amnesia amnesia, it only took a few hours for him to get completely sick of her Colette's rotten personality and ditch her.

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* JerkassWoobie: Stella Bevier. She's a RichBitch and difficult mother who continually causes grief for her daughter and tries to excuse her family's abysmal treatment of others. However, it becomes obvious throughout the later stories that she's mainly like this because of a very demanding and controlling mother who Stella was forced to obey no matter how much she may disagree with her. Thanks to CharacterDevelopment, Stella is increasingly aware of just how awful the family members she tries to defend and care for really are, and is even uncertain if they truly care for her in return at all.

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* JerkassWoobie: JerksAreWorseThanVillains: The most hated characters in the series aren't Team Phantom's rogues gallery (even Vlad) or any of the supernatural threats they face but Colette Bevier, Beatrice Traville, and Donovan Loadman for being snobby, unbearably unpleasant sociopaths with little to no redeeming qualities that go out of their way to ruin the main characters lives out of petty spite and a warped immature sense of entitlement.
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Stella Bevier. She's a RichBitch and difficult mother who continually causes grief for her daughter and tries to excuse her family's abysmal treatment of others. However, it becomes obvious throughout the later stories that she's mainly like this because of a very demanding and controlling mother who Stella was forced to obey no matter how much she may disagree with her. Thanks to CharacterDevelopment, Stella is increasingly aware of just how awful the family members she tries to defend and care for really are, and is even uncertain if they truly care for her in return at all.
** Chip Franco was a bully to Johnathan in the past but it's not hard to feel sorry for him since his life went downhill after high school because of his own mistakes, which even he acknowledges. He has seriously let himself go since his days of being an athletic star quarterback in high school, he's a gambling addict with debts to pay, he lives alone in a rundown apartment with barely any running water, he works in a dead-end job as a waiter at a restaurant, and his even more horrible ex-wife Heather St. Cloud has custody of their kids and constantly hassles him for alimony and child support while threatening to get their lawyers involved. It helps that, unlock Heather, he has matured over the years and while still a jerk, he has given up his bullying ways, accepted his own failures, and tries to be a good parent to his kids Audrey and Chip Jr. (certainly better than Heather).
** Kwan becomes this in "Blackmailed". Sure he's a PeerPressuredBully and was a terrible boyfriend to Star but he genuinely cares about her and is the least horrible member of the A-Listers as he doesn't bare Team Phantom any true malice despite being jealous of Danny for dating Star since he's accepted that Star is happy with him and he becomes increasingly horrified and disgusted by the lengths Colette is willing to sink to just to ruin Star's life and steal Danny from her to the point he absolutely refuses to be involved in any of her schemes to split the couple up until she blackmails him into helping her frame Team Phantom for crimes they didn't commit to get them away from Danny and blackmail him into dating her. He only gets more miserable and guilt ridden with time since he's constantly treated like dirt by Colette and the negative impact his unwilling assistance in her crimes have had on Team Phantom has left him conflicted on whether he should try to stop Colette and risk getting in trouble along with Star possibly hating him forever or keep quiet and be forced to watch the girl he loves suffer.
* MemeticLoser: Colette is becoming this because not only do her schemes backfire and turn everyone against her out of disgust for her unhealthy obsession with Danny, but NOTHING she does can get Danny to like her regardless if he's single or dating Star, even when he had total amnesia it only took a few hours for him to get completely sick of her rotten personality and ditch her.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** "Visited" raises the question if Beatrice has always been such a HateSink or if she turned out like that as life went on, and if so, why?
*** Richard claims that Beatrice was genuinely sweet and kind when they first met but changed for the worst over the course of their marriage. Johnathan, however, thinks she was simply putting on an act and merely dropped it after getting Richard as a husband. Both interpretations come from admittedly biased sources, so it's unclear who has the more accurate read on Beatrice's behavior.
*** Beatrice being an ImpoverishedPatrician who was pushed to marry for money by her parents does paint her actions in a new light. She could honestly think she was doing what was best for the family given what happened to her, and her other flaws just obscure what would otherwise be good intentions. Beatrice could also be bitter that her parents shoved her into a relationship she wasn't looking for, even if Richard genuinely loves her. Remember that both Star and Stella have had issues with how their respective mothers tried to raise them, so this being a familial version of TheChainOfHarm wouldn't be surprising.
*** Beatrice's recently released biography gives credit to both interpretations of her behavior, as well as revealing her feelings about her ArrangedMarriage. She was raised from an early age to be a ProperLady and spoiled with every luxury that money could buy. However, when Beatrice turned 18, her family almost became bankrupt and was on the verge of losing their ancestral estate. Thus, her parents introduced her to many suitors, pressuring her to marry into a wealthy family in order for them to avoid poverty. When she met her future husband Richard, they seemed be a good match. Following a brief courtship, Richard fell in love with and proposed to Beatrice, and their wedding was held not long after. He then paid off her family's debt and restored their wealth. Despite the circumstances, Beatrice did get along with Richard at the start of their relationship and tried to be (at least HER idea of) a good wife. However, the bio makes it clear that Beatrice always thought she was superior to others because of her status in life, and also felt a deep resentment over the lack of control she had in her youth and the fact that she was essentially sold by her parents to the Traville family. That resentment, along with her own domineering personality, flaws, and twisted views, cemented into bitterness over the years, and she began to rule over the Traville estate with an iron fist. While Beatrice may have been a relatively better person when she was younger, she was always awful, mainly because she was raised that way. Since her family was desperate to regain their former wealth and status, Beatrice likely hid her awful personality from Richard until later in life in order to acquire control over his estate.
*** It's heavily implied that Beatrice's actions partly stem from how her family was almost rendered destitute and she was forced to marry to regain their fortune, which she never wants to happen again. At the same time though, it's made clear that she cares more about herself and her family's image rather than her family itself, and if Beatrice ''ever'' had good intentions or kinder personality traits, they were long gone by the time she became a grandmother.
** Stella's expanded backstory and HiddenDepths in the later stories raise some questions about her relationships.
*** Did she ever truly love Johnathan or just see him as a pet to satisfy herself? Stella reflects in "Lost" that she's not completely sure why she left Johnathan the way she did, and wonders if she felt neglected in favor of his work or simply grew bored with him. In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, which is not helped by her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not "marrying a common lawyer" like him. "Visited" reveals that Stella never defended Johnathan during their marriage from her mother's abuse because of his humble background, though she justifies it by [[AbusiveParents Beatrice]] having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This adds another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment perhaps causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
*** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or did she only subconsciously want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed", she admits she never knew Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years at that point. Stella reveals in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought" which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc. This suggests her constantly defending her husband despite him being an unfaithful womanizer stems from Stella being too scared of invoking Beatrice's wrath and admitting she ruined her first loving marriage AllForNothing to leave Jean-Luc, with the latter reason being only growing stronger after finally standing up to her mother.
*** Is Stella truly [[ParentalObliviousness oblivious]] to Colette's true nature or just [[SelectiveObliviousness ignores it]] because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath? Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality and disregard for her stepmother than she lets on, which lends some credence to the latter.
*** Considering the tension between Colette and Star, her refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch despite Star's many complaints over the years and Colette's growing obsession with Danny bringing out her true colors could also be Stella not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning the years she spent raising her stepdaughter and her efforts to redeem her (neglecting Star in the process) were wasted.
*** "Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter and insistent she can change is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all callous {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Having been manipulated into believing she's Colette's "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. To her, this would be possible if Colette had a legitimate FreudianExcuse for her behavior and isn't just a sociopath.
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** Stella's HiddenDepths and backstory being expanded in the later stories raise some questions about her.
*** Did she ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself? Stella reflects in "Lost" that she's not completely sure why she left Johnathan the way she did, and wonders if she just grew bored with him or felt neglected in favor of his work. In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, which is not helped by her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not "marrying a common lawyer" like him. "Visited" reveals that Stella never defended Johnathan during their marriage from her mother's abuse because of his humble background, though she justifies it by [[AbusiveParents Beatrice]] having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This adds another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment perhaps causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
*** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or did she just subconsciously want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed", she admits she never knew Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years at that point. Stella implies in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought" which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc. This suggests her constantly defending her husband despite his self-absorbed snobbery, lack of attentiveness, and infidelity stems from Stella being too scared of invoking Beatrice's wrath and admitting she ruined her first loving marriage AllForNothing to leave Jean-Luc, with the latter being only growing stronger after finally standing up to her mother.

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** Stella's expanded backstory and HiddenDepths and backstory being expanded in the later stories raise some questions about her.
her relationships.
*** Did she ever truly love Johnathan or just saw see him as a pet to satisfy herself? Stella reflects in "Lost" that she's not completely sure why she left Johnathan the way she did, and wonders if she just grew bored with him or felt neglected in favor of his work.work or simply grew bored with him. In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, which is not helped by her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not "marrying a common lawyer" like him. "Visited" reveals that Stella never defended Johnathan during their marriage from her mother's abuse because of his humble background, though she justifies it by [[AbusiveParents Beatrice]] having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This adds another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment perhaps causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
*** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or did she just only subconsciously want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed", she admits she never knew Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years at that point. Stella implies reveals in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought" which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc. This suggests her constantly defending her husband despite his self-absorbed snobbery, lack of attentiveness, and infidelity him being an unfaithful womanizer stems from Stella being too scared of invoking Beatrice's wrath and admitting she ruined her first loving marriage AllForNothing to leave Jean-Luc, with the latter reason being only growing stronger after finally standing up to her mother.



*** Considering the tension between Colette and Star, her refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch despite Star's many complaints over the years and Colette's growing obsession with Danny bringing out her true colors could also be Stella not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her years spent raising her stepdaughter and efforts to redeem her (neglecting Star in the process) were wasted.
*** "Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter and insistent she can change is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all callous {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Having been manipulated into believing she's Colette's "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. To her, this would be more justifiable if Colette had a legitimate FreudianExcuse for her behavior and isn't just a sociopath.

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*** Considering the tension between Colette and Star, her refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch despite Star's many complaints over the years and Colette's growing obsession with Danny bringing out her true colors could also be Stella not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her the years she spent raising her stepdaughter and her efforts to redeem her (neglecting Star in the process) were wasted.
*** "Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter and insistent she can change is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all callous {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Having been manipulated into believing she's Colette's "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. To her, this would be more justifiable possible if Colette had a legitimate FreudianExcuse for her behavior and isn't just a sociopath.

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*** Did she ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself? In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, which is not helped by her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not "marrying a common lawyer" like him. "Visited" reveals that during their marriage, Stella never defended Johnathan from her mother's abuse because of his humble background, though she justifies it by Beatrice having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This could add another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment likely causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
*** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or did she just subconsciously want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a wealthy BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed", she admits she never knew Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years at that point. Stella implies in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought", which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc.
** Is Stella truly oblivious to Colette's true nature or just ignores it because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath? Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality and disregard for her stepmother than she lets on so it lends some credence to the latter.
*** "Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Since Colette manipulated Stella into thinking she's her "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. Considering the tension between Colette and Star, Stella's refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch could also be her not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her years spent raising Colette and neglecting Star in the process were for nothing.

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*** Did she ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself? Stella reflects in "Lost" that she's not completely sure why she left Johnathan the way she did, and wonders if she just grew bored with him or felt neglected in favor of his work. In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, which is not helped by her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not "marrying a common lawyer" like him. "Visited" reveals that during their marriage, Stella never defended Johnathan during their marriage from her mother's abuse because of his humble background, though she justifies it by Beatrice [[AbusiveParents Beatrice]] having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This could add adds another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment likely perhaps causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
*** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or did she just subconsciously want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a wealthy BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed", she admits she never knew Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years at that point. Stella implies in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought", thought" which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc.
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Jean-Luc. This suggests her constantly defending her husband despite his self-absorbed snobbery, lack of attentiveness, and infidelity stems from Stella being too scared of invoking Beatrice's wrath and admitting she ruined her first loving marriage AllForNothing to leave Jean-Luc, with the latter being only growing stronger after finally standing up to her mother.
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Is Stella truly oblivious [[ParentalObliviousness oblivious]] to Colette's true nature or just [[SelectiveObliviousness ignores it it]] because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath? Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality and disregard for her stepmother than she lets on so it on, which lends some credence to the latter.
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**** Considering the tension between Colette and Star, her refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch despite Star's many complaints over the years and Colette's growing obsession with Danny bringing out her true colors could also be Stella not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her years spent raising her stepdaughter and efforts to redeem her (neglecting Star in the process) were wasted.
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"Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter and insistent she can change is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all callous {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Since Colette Having been manipulated Stella into thinking believing she's her Colette's "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. Considering the tension between To her, this would be more justifiable if Colette had a legitimate FreudianExcuse for her behavior and Star, Stella's refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch could also be her not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her years spent raising Colette and neglecting Star in the process were for nothing.isn't just a sociopath.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: "Visited" raises the question if Beatrice has always been such a HateSink or if she turned out like that as life went on, and if so, why?
** Richard claims that Beatrice was genuinely sweet and kind when they first met but changed for the worst over the course of their marriage. Johnathan, however, thinks she was simply putting on an act and merely dropped it after getting Richard as a husband. Both interpretations come from admittedly biased sources, so it's unclear who has the more accurate read on Beatrice's behavior.
** Beatrice being an ImpoverishedPatrician who was pushed to marry for money by her parents does paint her actions in a new light. She could honestly think she was doing what was best for the family given what happened to her, and her other flaws just obscure what would otherwise be good intentions. Beatrice could also be bitter that her parents shoved her into a relationship she wasn't looking for, even if Richard genuinely loves her. Remember that both Star and Stella have had issues with how their respective mothers tried to raise them, so this being a familial version of TheChainOfHarm wouldn't be surprising.
** Beatrice's recently released biography gives credit to both interpretations of her behavior, as well as revealing her feelings about her ArrangedMarriage. She was raised from an early age to be a ProperLady and spoiled with every luxury that money could buy. However, when Beatrice turned 18, her family almost became bankrupt and was on the verge of losing their ancestral estate. Thus, her parents introduced her to many suitors, pressuring her to marry into a wealthy family in order for them to avoid poverty. When she met her future husband Richard, they seemed be a good match. Following a brief courtship, Richard fell in love with and proposed to Beatrice, and their wedding was held not long after. He then paid off her family's debt and restored their wealth. Despite the circumstances, Beatrice did get along with Richard at the start of their relationship and tried to be (at least HER idea of) a good wife. However, the bio makes it clear that Beatrice always thought she was superior to others because of her status in life, and also felt a deep resentment over the lack of control she had in her youth and the fact that she was essentially sold by her parents to the Traville family. That resentment, along with her own domineering personality, flaws, and twisted views, cemented into bitterness over the years, and she began to rule over the Traville estate with an iron fist. While Beatrice may have been a relatively better person when she was younger, she was always awful, mainly because she was raised that way. Since her family was desperate to regain their former wealth and status, Beatrice likely hid her awful personality from Richard until later in life in order to acquire control over his estate.
*** It's heavily implied that Beatrice's actions partly stem from how her family was almost rendered destitute and she was forced to marry to regain their fortune, which she never wants to happen again. At the same time though, it's made clear that she cares more about herself and her family's image rather than her family itself, and if Beatrice ''ever'' had good intentions or kinder personality traits, they were long gone by the time she became a grandmother.
** Did Stella ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself?
*** In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, it's not helped by Stella saying that she should've listened to her mother about not marrying a common lawyer like him. In "Visited", Johnathan admits that Stella would never defend him from her mother's abuse since they've hated each other when they immediately met because of his humble background.
** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or only married him because she subconsciously wanted to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a wealthy BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards?
*** While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats, they don't seem close since in "Boxed" she admits she never knew he loved boxing despite being married to him for years
** Is Stella truly oblivious to Colette's true nature or just ignores it because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath?
*** Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality than she lets on so it lends some credence to the latter.

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"Visited" raises the question if Beatrice has always been such a HateSink or if she turned out like that as life went on, and if so, why?
** *** Richard claims that Beatrice was genuinely sweet and kind when they first met but changed for the worst over the course of their marriage. Johnathan, however, thinks she was simply putting on an act and merely dropped it after getting Richard as a husband. Both interpretations come from admittedly biased sources, so it's unclear who has the more accurate read on Beatrice's behavior.
** *** Beatrice being an ImpoverishedPatrician who was pushed to marry for money by her parents does paint her actions in a new light. She could honestly think she was doing what was best for the family given what happened to her, and her other flaws just obscure what would otherwise be good intentions. Beatrice could also be bitter that her parents shoved her into a relationship she wasn't looking for, even if Richard genuinely loves her. Remember that both Star and Stella have had issues with how their respective mothers tried to raise them, so this being a familial version of TheChainOfHarm wouldn't be surprising.
** *** Beatrice's recently released biography gives credit to both interpretations of her behavior, as well as revealing her feelings about her ArrangedMarriage. She was raised from an early age to be a ProperLady and spoiled with every luxury that money could buy. However, when Beatrice turned 18, her family almost became bankrupt and was on the verge of losing their ancestral estate. Thus, her parents introduced her to many suitors, pressuring her to marry into a wealthy family in order for them to avoid poverty. When she met her future husband Richard, they seemed be a good match. Following a brief courtship, Richard fell in love with and proposed to Beatrice, and their wedding was held not long after. He then paid off her family's debt and restored their wealth. Despite the circumstances, Beatrice did get along with Richard at the start of their relationship and tried to be (at least HER idea of) a good wife. However, the bio makes it clear that Beatrice always thought she was superior to others because of her status in life, and also felt a deep resentment over the lack of control she had in her youth and the fact that she was essentially sold by her parents to the Traville family. That resentment, along with her own domineering personality, flaws, and twisted views, cemented into bitterness over the years, and she began to rule over the Traville estate with an iron fist. While Beatrice may have been a relatively better person when she was younger, she was always awful, mainly because she was raised that way. Since her family was desperate to regain their former wealth and status, Beatrice likely hid her awful personality from Richard until later in life in order to acquire control over his estate.
*** **** It's heavily implied that Beatrice's actions partly stem from how her family was almost rendered destitute and she was forced to marry to regain their fortune, which she never wants to happen again. At the same time though, it's made clear that she cares more about herself and her family's image rather than her family itself, and if Beatrice ''ever'' had good intentions or kinder personality traits, they were long gone by the time she became a grandmother.
** Stella's HiddenDepths and backstory being expanded in the later stories raise some questions about her.
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Did Stella she ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself?
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herself? In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, it's which is not helped by Stella saying her claiming that she should've listened to her mother about not marrying "marrying a common lawyer lawyer" like him. In "Visited", "Visited" reveals that during their marriage, Stella never defended Johnathan admits that Stella would never defend him from her mother's abuse since they've hated each other when they immediately met because of his humble background.
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background, though she justifies it by Beatrice having raised her to ''never'' question her mother. This could add another element to her rediscovered feelings for her ex-husband, with Stella's CharacterDevelopment likely causing her to see Johnathan in a new light and regret not being more appreciative of him when they were married.
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Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or only married him because did she just subconsciously wanted want to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a wealthy BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards?
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standards? Or both? While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats, aristocrats and she was swept up in his charm and sophistication, they don't seem close since in "Boxed" "Boxed", she admits she never knew he Jean-Luc loved boxing despite being married to him for years
years at that point. Stella implies in "Visited" while CallingTheOldWomanOut that Beatrice's expectations made her do things "without a second thought", which she now regrets, indicating her mother's influence did play a role in her impulsively running off with Jean-Luc.
** Is Stella truly oblivious to Colette's true nature or just ignores it because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath?
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sociopath? Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality and disregard for her stepmother than she lets on so it lends some credence to the latter.latter.
*** "Blackmailed" explains that a major reason Stella is so lenient with her stepdaughter is because she was led to believe Colette's biological mother and ex-stepmothers were all {{Gold Digger}}s who mistreated and abandoned her. Since Colette manipulated Stella into thinking she's her "favorite stepmother", Stella constantly tries to give her a break despite her out of control behavior since coming to Amity Park because she wants to be a better mother to Colette in hopes of guiding her onto the right path. Considering the tension between Colette and Star, Stella's refusal to acknowledge Colette is an irredeemable bitch could also be her not wanting to face the harsh truth that Colette (and Jean-Luc) never cared about her, meaning her years spent raising Colette and neglecting Star in the process were for nothing.
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** Did Stella ever truly love Johnathan or just saw him as a pet to satisfy herself?
*** In "Bonding", Johnathan admits Stella was always hard to please and would usually blame him for her own failures, it's not helped by Stella saying that she should've listened to her mother about not marrying a common lawyer like him. In "Visited", Johnathan admits that Stella would never defend him from her mother's abuse since they've hated each other when they immediately met because of his humble background.
** Did Stella ever truly love Jean-Luc Bevier or only married him because she subconsciously wanted to please her RichBitch mother Beatrice by marrying a wealthy BlueBlood who fits her elitist standards?
*** While Stella claims they bonded over being aristocrats, they don't seem close since in "Boxed" she admits she never knew he loved boxing despite being married to him for years
** Is Stella truly oblivious to Colette's true nature or just ignores it because her pride won't let her admit she failed SO spectacularly as a parent that she raised a sociopath?
*** Spectra's testimony in "Dressed" implies that Stella is more aware of Colette's awful personality than she lets on so it lends some credence to the latter.
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** Disciplining children can be hard but necessary because you need to establish boundaries and they need to understand what they did wrong.

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** Rich and/or popular friends aren't the same as GOOD friends.
** Actions, both good and bad, can have consequences for yourself and/or others.
** Just because someone raised you or is your family doesn't mean they can make choices for you.

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** Rich and/or popular friends aren't the same as GOOD friends.
** Actions, both good and bad, can have consequences for yourself and/or others.
** Just because someone raised you or is your family doesn't mean they can make all your choices for you.



** You shouldn't change yourself to please others, especially if it just makes you miserable and punishes away the people who actually matter to you.
** Looks aren't everything, your personality can play a major role in how attractive people find you. Colette and Paulina are very lovely girls but it's their ugly personalities that repulse Danny. Also, despite Star's beauty, Danny didn't start to fall for her until she showed redeeming qualities and eventually changed herself for the better.

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** You shouldn't change yourself to please others, especially if it just makes you miserable and punishes away the people who actually matter to you.
** Looks aren't everything, as your personality can play also plays a major role in how attractive people find you. Colette and Paulina are very lovely girls but it's their ugly personalities that repulse Danny. Also, despite Star's beauty, Danny didn't start to fall for her until she showed redeeming qualities and eventually changed herself for the better.
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** Looks aren't everything, your personality can play a major role in how attractive people find you. Colette and Paulina are very lovely girls but it's their ugly personalities that repulse Danny. Also, despite Star's beauty, Danny didn't start to fall for her until she showed redeeming qualities and eventually changed herself for the better.
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** Rich and/or popular friends aren't the same as GOOD friends.
** Actions, both good and bad, can have consequences for yourself and/or others.
** Just because someone raised you or is your family doesn't mean they can make choices for you.
** Regardless of your circumstances, only you are responsible for your own actions.
** Disciplining children can be hard but necessary because you need to establish boundaries and they need to understand what they did wrong.
** You shouldn't change yourself to please others, especially if it just makes you miserable and punishes away the people who actually matter to you.
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** Money and privilege don't always make your life better.
** Really loving someone means treating them as a person, not a [[TrophySpouse prize]] or [[LovingAShadow ideal]].
** There is a fine line between wanting the best for your kids and controlling them.
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** Beatrice's recently released biography gives credit to both interpretations of her behavior, as well as revealing her feelings about her ArrangedMarriage. She was raised from an early age to be a ProperLady and spoiled with every luxury that money could buy. However, when Beatrice turned 18, her family almost became bankrupt and was on the verge of losing their ancestral estate. Thus, her parents introduced her to many suitors, pressuring her to marry into a wealthy family in order for them to avoid poverty. When she met her future husband, Richard, they seemed be a good match. After a brief courtship, Richard fell in love with and proposed to Beatrice, and their wedding was held not long after. After their marriage, Richard paid off her family's debt and restored their wealth. Despite the circumstances, Beatrice did get along with Richard at the start of their relationship and tried to be (at least HER idea of) a good wife. However, the bio makes it clear that Beatrice always thought she was superior to others because of her status in life, and also felt a deep resentment over the lack of control she had in her youth and the fact that she was essentially sold by her parents to the Traville family. That resentment, along with her own domineering personality, flaws, and twisted views, cemented into bitterness over the years, and she began to rule over the Traville estate with an iron fist. While Beatrice may have been a relatively better person when she was younger, she was always awful, mainly because she was raised that way. Since her family was desperate to regain their former wealth and status, Beatrice likely hid her awful personality from Richard until later in life in order to acquire control over his estate.

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** Beatrice's recently released biography gives credit to both interpretations of her behavior, as well as revealing her feelings about her ArrangedMarriage. She was raised from an early age to be a ProperLady and spoiled with every luxury that money could buy. However, when Beatrice turned 18, her family almost became bankrupt and was on the verge of losing their ancestral estate. Thus, her parents introduced her to many suitors, pressuring her to marry into a wealthy family in order for them to avoid poverty. When she met her future husband, husband Richard, they seemed be a good match. After Following a brief courtship, Richard fell in love with and proposed to Beatrice, and their wedding was held not long after. After their marriage, Richard He then paid off her family's debt and restored their wealth. Despite the circumstances, Beatrice did get along with Richard at the start of their relationship and tried to be (at least HER idea of) a good wife. However, the bio makes it clear that Beatrice always thought she was superior to others because of her status in life, and also felt a deep resentment over the lack of control she had in her youth and the fact that she was essentially sold by her parents to the Traville family. That resentment, along with her own domineering personality, flaws, and twisted views, cemented into bitterness over the years, and she began to rule over the Traville estate with an iron fist. While Beatrice may have been a relatively better person when she was younger, she was always awful, mainly because she was raised that way. Since her family was desperate to regain their former wealth and status, Beatrice likely hid her awful personality from Richard until later in life in order to acquire control over his estate.

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