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Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \'\'fitted\'\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \'\'my\'\' feelings about the UBW endings \'\'perfectly\'\'. Just because \'\'you\'\' don\'t agree with that, it doesn\'t mean that it shouldn\'t be there. It\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \'\'not\'\' awesome, even if Shirou \'\'does\'\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \'\'your\'\' opinion that it \'\'is\'\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \'\'thinking\'\' about it) and calling it \
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Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \\\'\\\'fitted\\\'\\\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\\\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \\\'\\\'my\\\'\\\' feelings about the UBW endings \\\'\\\'perfectly\\\'\\\'. Just because \\\'\\\'you\\\'\\\' don\\\'t agree with that, it doesn\\\'t mean that it shouldn\\\'t be there. It\\\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome, even if Shirou \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' opinion that it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' about it) and calling it \\\"flamebait\\\", you\\\'re just showing a clear anti-Sakura bias (and don\\\'t bother saying that I have a pro-Sakura bias, because I \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' that...), because from the viewpoint of a Sakura fan, it\\\'s quite clearly true, and I can\\\'t think of many Sakura fans who would find Mind of Steel \\\'\\\'remotely\\\'\\\' awesome, either.
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. That was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobie}}s I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. That was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobie}}s I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
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Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \'\'fitted\'\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \'\'my\'\' feelings about the UBW endings \'\'perfectly\'\'. Just because \'\'you\'\' don\'t agree with that, it doesn\'t mean that it shouldn\'t be there. It\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \'\'not\'\' awesome, even if Shirou \'\'does\'\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \'\'your\'\' opinion that it \'\'is\'\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \'\'thinking\'\' about it) and calling it \
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Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \\\'\\\'fitted\\\'\\\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\\\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \\\'\\\'my\\\'\\\' feelings about the UBW endings \\\'\\\'perfectly\\\'\\\'. Just because \\\'\\\'you\\\'\\\' don\\\'t agree with that, it doesn\\\'t mean that it shouldn\\\'t be there. It\\\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome, even if Shirou \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' opinion that it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' about it) and calling it \\\"flamebait\\\", you\\\'re just showing a clear anti-Sakura bias (and don\\\'t bother saying that I have a pro-Sakura bias, because I \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' that...), because from the viewpoint of a Sakura fan, it\\\'s quite clearly true, and I can\\\'t think of many Sakura fans who would find Mind of Steel \\\'\\\'remotely\\\'\\\' awesome, either.
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobie}}s I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobie}}s I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
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As for Mind of Steel, I already explained why I don\'t think it\'s a MissedMomentOfAwesome. My threat to remove it was an attempt to get you to actually be \'\'reasonable\'\' about it, rather than just removing my edit without thinking about it. My edit was \'\'not\'\' flamebait, it\'s a perfectly reasonable opinion about the endings, and one that is shared by a third (nominally - it seems unreasonable to give the views of Saber fans more weight because there are more of them, especially since many of them haven\'t \'\'played\'\' the game) of the fandom. Perhaps the entry could do with some re-writing to make it more neutral, yes, but the \'\'concept\'\' is perfectly valid, and thus in my view it should stay. As for the Mind of Steel one, I\'m happy for it to stay for the same reason (because \'\'some\'\' people see it that way), provided it\'s \'\'also\'\' made more neutral (by removing the false presumption that Shirou \'\'will\'\' win).
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As for Mind of Steel, I already explained why I don\\\'t think it\\\'s a MissedMomentOfAwesome. My threat to remove it was an attempt to get you to actually be \\\'\\\'reasonable\\\'\\\' about it, rather than just removing my edit without thinking about it. My edit was \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' flamebait, it\\\'s a perfectly reasonable opinion about the endings, and one that is shared by a third (nominally - it seems unreasonable to give the views of Saber fans more weight because there are more of them, especially since many of them haven\\\'t \\\'\\\'played\\\'\\\' the game) of the fandom. Perhaps the entry could do with some re-writing to make it more neutral, yes, but the \\\'\\\'concept\\\'\\\' is perfectly valid, and thus in my view it should stay. As for the Mind of Steel one, I\\\'m happy for it to stay for the same reason (because \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' people see it that way), provided it\\\'s \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' made more neutral (by removing the false presumption that Shirou \\\'\\\'will\\\'\\\' win).
Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \\\'\\\'fitted\\\'\\\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\\\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \\\'\\\'my\\\'\\\' feelings about the UBW endings \\\'\\\'perfectly\\\'\\\'. Just because \\\'\\\'you\\\'\\\' don\\\'t agree with that, it doesn\\\'t mean that it shouldn\\\'t be there. It\\\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome, even if Shirou \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' opinion that it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' about it) and calling it \\\"flamebait\\\", you\\\'re just showing a clear anti-Sakura bias (and don\\\'t bother saying that I have a pro-Sakura bias, because I \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' that...), because from the viewpoint of a Sakura fan, it\\\'s quite clearly true, and I can\\\'t think of many Sakura fans who would find Mind of Steel \\\'\\\'remotely\\\'\\\' awesome, either.
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobies}} I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
Whatever you might think, I put that entry there because I thought it \\\'\\\'fitted\\\'\\\', not to attack the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry by providing something I knew you wouldn\\\'t agree with but which I could compare it to. I did it because I came across the EsotericHappyEnding page a few days ago, read it and thought that it described \\\'\\\'my\\\'\\\' feelings about the UBW endings \\\'\\\'perfectly\\\'\\\'. Just because \\\'\\\'you\\\'\\\' don\\\'t agree with that, it doesn\\\'t mean that it shouldn\\\'t be there. It\\\'s clearly a subjective thing, and I see no reason why the page should discriminate against Sakura fans just because there are less of us. To me, the Mind of Steel ending is distinctly \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome, even if Shirou \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' win (which is highly debateable), and whilst that is just my opinion, it is simply \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' opinion that it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' awesome. By removing my entry (without even \\\'\\\'thinking\\\'\\\' about it) and calling it \\\"flamebait\\\", you\\\'re just showing a clear anti-Sakura bias (and don\\\'t bother saying that I have a pro-Sakura bias, because I \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' that...), because from the viewpoint of a Sakura fan, it\\\'s quite clearly true, and I can\\\'t think of many Sakura fans who would find Mind of Steel \\\'\\\'remotely\\\'\\\' awesome, either.
So, either we allow subjective tropes that depend on your position within the fandom, in which case both of them stay, or we don\\\'t, in which case they both have to go. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' was the point I was \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to make when I said \\\"I\\\'ll remove the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry if you cut this\\\", even if I made it \\\'\\\'badly\\\'\\\'. They \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' both equally subjective, and if you claim otherwise then you\\\'re quite clearly applying your bias to the argument (whereas I am arguing in a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' biased manner here, hence why I didn\\\'t immediately cut the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry again, or even make any mention of how it\\\'s \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' awesome for him to kill everyone he cares about, including two of the biggest {{Woobies}} I can ever think of seeing). My problem with the MissedMomentOfAwesome entry being on this page (if any) is that I don\\\'t think it fits even from a \\\'\\\'non\\\'\\\' Sakura fan\\\'s viewpoint, because I think he\\\'d die pretty quick. However, if we\\\'re removing any entry that only holds true if you\\\'re the fan of a certain girl, then it has to go regardless, because in my view it\\\'s \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' awesome, no matter \\\'\\\'what\\\'\\\' he does, because Sakura has lived thorough eleven years of utter hell only to be betrayed and murdered by the two people she loved more than any other (and, in fact, so has \\\'\\\'Ilya\\\'\\\').
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As for Mind of Steel, I already explained why I don\'t think it\'s a MissedMomentOfAwesome. My threat to remove it was an attempt to get you to actually be \'\'reasonable\'\' about it, rather than just removing my edit without thinking about it. My edit was \'\'not\'\' flamebait, it\'s a perfectly reasonable opinion. Perhaps the entry could do with some re-writing to make it more neutral, yes, but the \'\'concept\'\' is perfectly valid, and thus in my view it should stay. As for the Mind of Steel one, I\'m happy for it to stay for the same reason (because \'\'some\'\' people see it that way), provided it\'s \'\'also\'\' made more neutral (by removing the false presumption that Shirou \'\'will\'\' win).
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As for Mind of Steel, I already explained why I don\\\'t think it\\\'s a MissedMomentOfAwesome. My threat to remove it was an attempt to get you to actually be \\\'\\\'reasonable\\\'\\\' about it, rather than just removing my edit without thinking about it. My edit was \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' flamebait, it\\\'s a perfectly reasonable opinion about the endings, and one that is shared by a third (nominally - it seems unreasonable to give the views of Saber fans more weight because there are more of them, especially since many of them haven\\\'t \\\'\\\'played\\\'\\\' the game) of the fandom. Perhaps the entry could do with some re-writing to make it more neutral, yes, but the \\\'\\\'concept\\\'\\\' is perfectly valid, and thus in my view it should stay. As for the Mind of Steel one, I\\\'m happy for it to stay for the same reason (because \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' people see it that way), provided it\\\'s \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' made more neutral (by removing the false presumption that Shirou \\\'\\\'will\\\'\\\' win).
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As noted,already have a specific trope to cases where the main quest is more urgent: TakeYourTime. Said trope already is listed in the list, in a position separated of IrrelevantSidequest.
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As noted,already exists a specific trope to cases where the main quest is more urgent: TakeYourTime. Said trope already is listed in the list, in a position totally separated of IrrelevantSidequest.
