Tsundere vs Yandere

What's the difference between Tsundere and Yandere? It seems to me like Yandere is The Same But More.

I must agree. On that note, what's the point of Complete Monster? It's just The Same But More of Jerkass.

Tsundere is someone who is emotionally conflicted about their love interest, and often has trouble expressing their feelings. This leads to internal frustration, which can manifest as (sometimes unjustified) anger towards the person they care about. This is all a cover for their tender emotions that they feel to the person in question. Violence is not crucial to the trope itself, and when it does appear it is most often cartoonish violence.

In Yandere it's the reverse... they usually appear to be quite sweet and loving, but this covers up the psychotic obsession of what nearly always turns out to be a jealous, violent psychopath, who won't blink an eye at brutally murdering anyone in the way of their "true love", or for killing their love interest if they can't keep them from running off any other way. Violence is central to the trope.

Comparing a Tsundere to a Yandere is like comparing a girl who calls you names to a girl who stabs you in the eye with a fork for looking at another girl. They are quite different tropes.

Also, Yandere are made of pure win.

"Tsundere is someone who is emotionally conflicted about their love interest" - Meeble

Hmm? I've seen examples on that page whose angry-to-calm demeanor had nothing to do with romance. (John Lennon, I think?) If it's supposed to be a romance trope, shouldn't they remove the non-romance examples and create a separate page for them?

But yeah, Yandere isn't "the same but more" at all, it's not just the magnitude that's different, but also the direction.

Similarily, "Complete Monster" isn't a "the same but more" of Jerkass; a Complete Monster is, by definition, utterly irredeemable; a Jerkass, however, can eventually become a nicer character.

edited 9th Jun '10 12:23:46 PM by neoYTPism

No, those examples were right. I should have said ("usually over a love interest"), but there are some non-romantic Tsunderes.

But yes, definitely separate themed tropes.

"deredere" is defined in our article as "lovestruck"; it's not just alternating between angry and girlish, but angry at the loved one vs head over heels in love.

edited 9th Jun '10 12:32:25 PM by Yamikuronue

Yeah, they really ought to separate "Tsundere" as a love trope from "angry vs calm" as a general idea. Otherwise the combination gets confusing.

edited 9th Jun '10 1:49:00 PM by neoYTPism

I thought there were multiple subtypes of Tsundere, with some acting sweet most of the time with a nasty side. Wouldn't those ones be just milder version of Yandere?

Again, "Yandere" isn't so much an "even more so" as a considerably different concept. (See my "magnitude and direction" analogy)

As for typically sweet but sometimes harsh... from my understanding of the Tsundere article I think that's supposed to be type B, though I'm not sure since I didn't read the article very thoroughly.

EDIT: Also, how is "She'd do anything for love. And yes, she'll even do that..." (from the Yandere page) supposed to be a pun at all?

edited 9th Jun '10 4:45:13 PM by neoYTPism

Nope.-It's-a-Meatloaf-reference.

So what's the pun supposed to be about, exactly?

There's-a-Meatloaf-song-called-"I-Would-Do-Anything-For-Love-(But-I-Won't-Do-That)".

From the Tsundere page:

Type B (alias Type Dere or sweet): These Tsundere have deredere as their default mood. They are sweet, kind and generous, but just happen to have a hidden violent side as well. In this case, her temper is almost always triggered by someone else, usually the male Love Interest. (An example is Kagome Higurashi from Inu Yasha). Either they have Belligerent Sexual Tension, or he is an idiot or an Accidental Pervert, or she just has no idea how to handle feelings of love and attraction and thus is sweet to everyone except the man she's interested in. Unwanted suitors such as Dogged Nice Guys might also trigger the tsuntsun. Very often the male Love Interest will be very frustrated, as everybody else keeps telling him how soft-hearted the Tsundere is, and wonders how they can possibly be describing the same girl. This may lead to an Informed Attribute if we never actually see the sweet side as default, since the Tsundere and her irritant are always together on screen. A Type B Tsundere is often subject to Adaptation Decay, Character Exaggeration and Flanderization, turning her into a Type A.

Type B should not be confused with a Yandere. If a Type B Tsundere were really convinced that her Love Interest didn't want her, she would revert back to her deredere side and probably enter an I Want My Beloved To Be Happy phase. A Yandere would calmly tolerate a lot of the things that a Tsundere goes bonkers over, but if a Yandere were to decide that her Love Interest really didn't want her, she would likely snap and Murder The Hypotenuse (or the love interest himself).

The difference is pretty clearly that a Yandere wants to possess her love. Therefor she is acts sweet to establish her possessive rights. Even if her target responds positively to her, she becomes ever increasingly needy, and then becomes violent when her possession is threatened.

The Type B Tsundere on the other hand wants to be sweet to everyone (and especially her love) because that's what a good girl should do, but her temper gets in the way- usually because her love is a jerk, but sometimes simply because she panics around him. She's violent towards her love when he flirts with other girls (or lets them flirt with him) because he's being two-faced. He says he loves her, but then goes and flirts with other girls. If he just dumped her she wouldn't be violent, she'd just go have a good cry and move on with life. As time goes on she becomes less needy and increasingly secure because she realizes he really does like her and doesn't mean to flirt with other girls. In other words a Tsundere's violence is to establish her possessive rights, (and maybe even establish his possessive rights, since if he's still sticking around after she's so cold to him he must really like her).

edited 12th Jun '10 11:50:11 AM by Sackett

I think we should mention that tsundere are not necessarily- a love thing; there are versions that will act that way towards people not their love interest too.

Yeesh, put down the shovel you used to dig up this old thread.