Two articles with the same image... Darths and Droids, and: Min Maxing

He'd be looking in her general direction. Nowhere near the "eye-humping" that the speech bubbles indicate.

edited 14th Nov '10 10:33:42 AM by Madrugada

Although...he IS doing a raised eyebrow type thing, and going as though to raise his sunglasses. Small details that make what's going on look obvious to me. I've only seen the pic without text, but...then again, the discussion here has told me what's going on. Eh.

The All Men Are Perverts image is sort of not a good image. It is definitely not a clear example of a good image. It does make sense a little without the dialog. The two male superheroes are checking out the female superhero, and apparently talking about it. That is all I mean, not asking it make perfect sense. The Darths And Droids panel makes no sense at all to Min-Maxing without text.

Min-Maxing: like this maybe but more dump-stat-ey, like low CHA: [1]◊ Please don't let the fact that this is a bad idea distract from the aspects of it that don't have to do with whether or not it's a good idea.

edited 14th Nov '10 12:21:32 PM by rodneyAnonymous

^ That doesn't need to be a picture at all. It conveys exactly the same information as a typed-out list of stats.

Min-Maxing is not a dialog trope.

And, okay, but I don't think it is necessary to come up with a good image to back up a case that a different image is bad.

edited 14th Nov '10 11:53:44 AM by rodneyAnonymous

That isn't even min maxing.

You're right, there goes my whole point.

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That suggested picture wasn't even Min-Maxing

Even in the case where that suggested picture 'would be Min-Maxing (like say, CHA was some ridiculously low number and STR was double the amount of the average stat) it has the problem of "doesn't make sense without text" if we're going to go by that route.

"Rodney, saying that a page image must work without any text except the caption is faulty."

1. I said a page image must work without any text including captions. Especially captions. Speech bubbles are frequently captions disguised as something demonstrative.  ^*
   ^{The D&D panel even has literal captions for when the GM talks, but, I am leaving that alone, all the text in the image is a caption.}
2. It is faulty?

The D&D comic frame is JAFAAC on the Min Maxing page. It is borderline-to-good for the D&D comic page.

edited 14th Nov '10 12:40:46 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Yes, it's faulty, on two counts.

One, we don't have any such rule in place.

Two, Many tropes are impossible to illustrate in action with some use of words, either as a caption or as speech bubbles. Saying that a page image which needs either of those is not be a good page image means that many, if not most pages would have no good page image.

That image appears on the articles for both Darths And Droids and Min-Maxing. It should be deleted from one or both. No matter what. Right? I think it is good for D&D and should be deleted from MM, and I made a case that it works better for one than the other, based on (what I think is) good sense, not a rule.

edited 14th Nov '10 12:47:03 PM by rodneyAnonymous

The image on Darths And Droids could be more directly indicative of the work, maybe. No reason to use the same one over and over. The image on Min-Maxing seems like a good fit to me.

The speech bubbles are core to showing what Darths And Droids is like.

edited 14th Nov '10 1:12:25 PM by FastEddie

It works no more for D&D than any other image from D&D. It does, however, illustrate the concept of Min-Maxing (leaving the 'should work without words' argument aside for a minute).

If one has to go and they both fit (as everyone else in this thread appear to agree) then the one that is more easily replaced should be replaced.

rodneyAnonymous can't reply, he has flung himself off a bridge

Okay. That is totally fine. I still say "How much weight is the caption pulling?" is a good question. Captions aren't supposed to be required for explanation.

I recommend "Jar Jar, you're a genius"

I'm not sure that works. It's a very simple sentence and without context means absolutely nothing.

It's the most famous Darths And Droids comic. It would make a good page image for them.

This is my favorite D&D strip. Nominate last four panels as new page image.

Ah. Thank you for enlightening me there. If it's the most famous strip, then it would probably work fine.

It needs too much of the comic page to work. The "Jar Jar, you're a genius" frame doesn't stand alone very well and adding all the others means it's far too wide to be legible at 350 pixels wide. I tried.

This one might work...

or this one.

edited 14th Nov '10 1:28:29 PM by Madrugada

[1]◊ (speech bubbles illegibly small when shrunk, doctored a little)

edited 14th Nov '10 1:46:54 PM by rodneyAnonymous

It's not really a great representation of the strip though.

I think it is the Very Best Representation. It is speech bubbles on Star Wars screenshots. It is roleplaying patter. The character dialog is different (in letter and spirit) than the movies. It is self-contained. It is funny. It has a double-beat.

Please elaborate that it's not great.

edited 14th Nov '10 1:58:28 PM by rodneyAnonymous

There are no references to role playing. There are no snarky comments from the DM. It's just a generic Star Wars spoof. It's not Daths And Droids. It's lacking what makes it what it is.

edited 14th Nov '10 2:03:42 PM by shimaspawn