Persona series

Its inferior to P 3 P but it looks pretty and social links are voice acted.

How's the gameplay like combat and dungeon crawling in the remake then?

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Basically P 3 P's battle system but with P5's Baton Pass and a limit break bar instead of combo attacks.

Exploring is pretty much the same but with some randomized one time only doors with shadows a bit stronger than normal... also all of P 3 P's end game content is missing.

Oh okay.

Well, I do like the cast, and it HAS been a while. Maybe I'll put this on the to get list. Would be fun to play Persona 3 again with all the lore I know about SMT and Persona now.

I still see these guys as Law Heroes. On a very LIGHT side.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:01:01 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

P3 P4 P5 protag Qset+ figures have been announced.

Despite it saying P 3 P in the announcement the FMC is nowhere to be found. Atlus continues to sweep her under the table.

You haven't been forced to cheat since P4. And you're not rejecting Ann, you just aren't asking her out. There isn't really anything in that scene to guilt trip you or anything like there is with Rise.

Yeah, I still remember when the PSP game made me romance Yukari and Aegis when I was going for Mitsuru like the basic guy that I am.

With Ann, it's just that her confession scene is her tearing up and hugging you, and you're given the option of saying "Oh I care for you" and the comparatively colder "Oh, the others care for you."

Just ugghh...

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Reload added friendship routes for the girls, thank goodness.

Not just that. Reload is probably the first game in the series where the platonic endings are significantly different from the romantic endings (since all of the latter end up with the MC being in the girl's room). And they even did a bit where Fuuka's platonic ending has a slight change depending on whether you romanced Yukari or not, which is significant because Persona rarely acknowledges who you romanced outside of interactions with the partner.

(I also seem to recall people saying Hashino justified the forced romance in older versions of P3 by saying that men and women could never be Just Friends. Is that true or not?)

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.

He only said that was how he felt in his personal life....Which is why he hired female writers for romantic social links to begin with.

People really like to twist that interview in the worst ways.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Apr 27th 2024 at 9:37:08 AM

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You know what they say, "a lie can make it halfway round the world before the truth has got its pants on."

Some things just become recieved wisdom in a fanbase, when a piece of information is constantly passed around and no one provided a source for it. Everyone just comes to accept it from constant repetition and zero pushback.

Thank you for the clarification. I knew it was too weird-sounding to begin with.

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On a different matter, how would you rewrite Persona 4 so that it ties better into the plots of its predecessor and successor? I get that the games being mostly standalone is a thing now, but I did like how P1 and the P2 duology were rather intimately tied together.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.

Making it where P4 Dungeons are compared to the idea of how Palaces work in P5 (They basically are Proto Palaces in that regard) without actually saying the word Palace but getting it across is one way.

Overcoming ones own death by their own Shadow can reference how P3 Reload connected Berserk Persona's killing the User to the Shadow Selves in P4 with Takaya quoting "I am a Shadow, the true self" verbatim.

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Also note that Marie's dungeon collapses at the end like P5 Palaces do, and instead of being accessed from a central location it's accessed from a particular area just like how you need to know which place is being distorted to enter the Palace.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.

Compare/Contrast: Futaba's Palace, which is also a grave

Heart of Stone

In case you missed it, seems like YouTube now has an official soundtrack playlist for Persona 3 Reload since a few days ago, titled "Persona 3 Reload Original Soundtrack".

"Full Moon Full Life" is currently the most-viewed/played song vid.

With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation

The TV world and shadows and such are very tied to P3 and P5 though as is. Arena does a very good job of integrating P4 with P3 and the TV world in general is a Mementos of Inaba rather than Tokyo. Nyarlathotep, Izanami and Yaldabaoth are essentially the same, local gods corrupted by humans. The P 4 G cast is just the most successful at helping at least part of the god recover what they originally were.

Honestly the major thing that needs to be tied to P3 and P4 is P5. There is essentially zero connection between P3 and P4 and P5 in general, Naoto or the Shadow Operatives should have at least made an appearance after Shido went down at the very least. The original idea of Yusuke being a student of Gekkoukan would also have gone a long way. Also making Zenkichi and Akane into Dojima and Nanako would also have given that connection, especially since Zenkichi and Dojima have the exact same background of their wife getting hit and killed by some big name and never caught.

With the difference being that the Investigation Team isn't seeking to change society and aren't exactly equipped to change hearts, so they're not using the TV world for that. Though given P4's endless Fetch Quests (which I honestly hope get reworked in the remake) they are doing their part to make Inaba a better place, just with far less reliance on the cognitive world to do so.

Nyarly doesn't quite belong there, considering that he's doing the corrupting and he's the one who made the wager with Philemon that humanity can't get past its darker impulses. I don't really see a sympathetic side there. Yaldy is a bit more complicated, given that his status as the Holy Grail does mean that he represents the fact that most people just want tomorrow to be almost the same as today, but the narrative doesn't really portray him as sympathetic on any level unlike Izanami.

Eh, fair enough, but I guess my mind's influenced by the fact that there's a lot more P3/P5 fanfic than P4/P5 fanfic.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.

Yeah Nyarly embodies ALL of humanities negative traits. That’s why he can literally end the world by making rumors reality by kicking off the righht set of rumors so humanity dooms itself.

And he does it that way because that’s part of the bet him and Philemon made. It’s a game to him whether humanity goes extinct or not.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 28th 2024 at 3:57:04 AM

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It's funny because Yaldy is basically a soft reboot sequel to Nyarly, and his goal is tyranny and order, so they would be opposed.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Magatsu Inaba kinda comes across like a proto-Mementos to me, including the black and red portals.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

X2 Nah Nyarly would find that hilarious. The Crawling Chaos is associated with Dark-Law after all outside of Persona.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Speaking of Persona 2, I always did find it funny that game had a character named Jun who had Hermes as his Persona, followed by the very next game where the character named Junpei had Hermes as his Persona.

I have to wonder if there's a deeper connection, or if it was just a Mythology Gag (er, not that kind).

And then Persona 5 has Morgana with Mercurius as his second tier Persona...

Persona 4 is the odd one out since it's the only one without a party member using a Classical Mythology themed Persona, because it went full Shinto.

Edited by Kinkajou on Apr 29th 2024 at 6:40:06 PM

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.

Makes you wanna see if the next game goes full Celtic or something.

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