I see the Awesomeness.
Saying High comes to mind. You're not the first one to come forward with this issue though.
Fight smart, not fair.
As I understand it, Unsuspectingly Soused, Mushroom Samba, etc. are about how the character becomes intoxicated, whereas Lemon Wacky Hello is about the behavior.
edited 3rd Sep '10 4:40:37 PM by Starry-Eyed
If that's the case, then I think a few tropes need some better descriptions.
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Accidental Intoxication works for Wacky Lemon Hello. That makes it clear that it's the inadvertent consumption of an intoxicant, not how the character behaves afterwards.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Wait. So is Lemon Wacky Hello how they get messed up, or how they act then?
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Lemon Wacky Hello is how they get messed up.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Lemon Wacky Hello instantly brings to my mind some sort of lemon candy that causes people to say "Hello!" in a wacky way.
So, I guess that's not a problem then.
The isn't Unsuspectingly Soused the same thing, or at least just a sub-trope?
The "X Hello" tropes are supposed to be about introductions; the trope examples seem to think that it's about behavior and the effects. The description makes it sound like Unexpectly Soused.
I'm thinking go with the examples: The hilarity that ensues when a character gets Unexpectedly Soused.
^ Is it supposed to be a part of the "X Hello" tropes? Because the way the description reads now, it sounds like it has nothing to do with introductions, and implies that the name just happens to have "hello" in it.
Which maybe itself a good reason to rename.
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It's not an "X Hello" trope at all. It just happens to end in "Hello". The trope namer is a candy called "Lemon Wacky Hello" that is laced with opiates, unknown to the characters who eat it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
To me, applying Lemon Wacky Hello as an "X Hello" trope would be like saying Hello in a Cloud Cuckoo Lander-ish way.
edited 5th Sep '10 6:42:10 PM by DRCEQ
I've been wanting to mention this one too. Not only is the reference obscure, it's supposed to sound like a random string of words in the original context. So not terribly helpful.
I'm still a little unclear on the relationship between this and Mushroom Samba... is Mushroom Samba just about hallucinations?
Anyway, it would seem like the crux of the trope is that it's treated as funny because it's an accidental, one-time thing. Hilarious Accidental High seem likes the Exactly What It Says on the Tin form, though it's not terribly witty. (I'm tempted to say Intoxication Ensues.)
There is a such trope as 'dramatic unintentional drug use', where addiction and angst ensues, but that's obviously different.
edited 5th Sep '10 9:27:51 PM by Bailey
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Lemon Wacky Hello is how they got inadvertently intoxicated (ate pot brownies, drank from the spiked punch bowl instead of the non-alcoholic one, didn't know a drink was alcoholic in the first place, or thought it was much milder than it really is; stuff like that
Mushroom Samba: Hallucinations. That's it. Hallucinations.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Well if Lemon Wacky Hello is how they got messed up, then aren't Unsuspectingly Soused and High On Malts just types 1 and 3 of Lemon Wacky Hello respectively?
And as far as Mushroom Samba there seem to be so many examples of Mushroom Samba mixed up with Lemon Wacky Hello, that it might be easier to just add hallucinogens to it.
A list of examples from Lemon Wacky Hello I'm pretty sure are supposed to be Mushroom Samba.
- In One Piece Luffy eats a bit of a cactus whilst trekking the desert of Alabasta in an attempt to quench thirst. Luffy chases around Zoro and Chopper mistaking them for the Big Bad, yelling "Croooooocoooooodiiiileeeeee! I'll kick your ass!", getting them separated from the rest of the crew... again.
- In the first Dragonball Z Deadzone movie, Gohan eats a delicious looking apple from Garlic Jr.'s personal orchard. Turns out that "Children mustn't eat those". Cue the drug trip montage.
- A Yu Yu Hakusho fanfic Purple High is entirely this, when Kurama attempted to breed a Makai plant capable of curing burn wounds, and instead creates a powerful hallucinogen that, among other things, prompts Kurama to reveal his stash of green spandex, gives Hiei the munchies, compels Botan to prostrate herself before Kurama to learn his hair-care techniques, and turns Yukina into an Ax Crazy, Cloud Cuckoo Lander Card Carrying Villain.
- Alan Tudyk's character in Death At A Funeral. A strait-laced businessman takes what he thinks is an anti-anxiety pill, and spends the rest of the movie making funny faces and stripping. At, as the title suggests, a funeral.
- In Juno:
- In Flirting With Disaster, Ben Stiller's character finally meets his birth parents, old hippies who manufacture LSD. His newly-acquainted resentful brother doses his dinner with the stuff, but it gets eaten by a Federal agent who is along for the trip (as it were).
- Frasier
- In another episode, Niles overdoses on allergy medication while in a restaurant and starts hallucinating and speaking nonsense. He ends up accidentally knocking over the fishtank and, as Frasier puts it, "sprawled out on a bed of live Koi, weeping and desperately trying to revive that little plastic diver
- A rare dramatic example: in The Dead Zone, Johnny accidentally inhales a massive dose of ketamine, which renders his normally literal visions bizarre and cryptic.
- Spike, in his first appearance in Buffy The Vampire Slayer, recounts an incident where he "fed off a flower person" at Woodstock. ("...and I spent the next four hours watching my hand move.") Vampires in the Buffyverse are especially susceptible to unwittingly taking drugs by drinking the blood of users, and one episode depicts a designer drug meant to be shared by a human and a vampire.
- Stephen Colbert marked the demise of (father of LSD) Albert Hoffman when his interns made him a sheet of little stamps. He decides to pre-lick the entire sheet right away. The results start at Contemplating Your Hands and go all the way to an epic fourth-wall-breaking freakout over whether he's a real person and why he does the things he does. He ends the show in his set's "fireplace" (a set piece looking like a brick fireplace with a flat-screen TV showing a burning fireplace fire) and claims that the fire looks fake. He had a similar reaction when he briefly ran out of the prescription painkillers he'd become addicted to.
- "You have your math but he has the math. I see numbers! And five is very angry. Come back, five!"
- In Dollhouse, episode 7 - "Echoes" - a hallucinogen that is transmitted by touch wreaks havoc on the dignities of several Dollhouse security guys as well as Ms. Dewitt and Topher.
- In a third-season episode of Kingdom, the title character, Peter Kingdom, eats an omelet containing some special mushrooms. It's doubly funny because it's Stephen Fry.
- Not sure if this belongs under Mushroom Samba or not, but any Metal Gear Solid fan worth their salt knows that if you have Naked Snake eat certain glowing mushrooms in Snake Eater, he'll have a very interesting conversation with Para-Medic about how his batteries recharged.
- In Metro 2033, there is a room with bad air. It's so bad that it seeps through your gas mask and gets you and Burbon high. Bourbon starts babbling on about a "Great Gate" and "marvellous songs". You get a "Hallucination" play-type, no shooting and lurching movements.
- In this strip of Questionable Content, a change in Hannelore's anti-anxiety medication (for her OCD) causes her to get all the way to the coffee shop without realizing that she was still in her underwear. This strip lets us see what's making Tai so giggly while she's singing LSD's praises. "When you use big words, smoke comes out your nostrils!"
- This strip of Loserz. And it was just coffee.
- Meatwad of Aqua Teen Hunger Force once had an episode like this, wherein he ingested some expired "cheese" that made him believe he could predict the future whenever he touched people. He began predicting disasters that turned out to be minor annoyances, such as milk going bad or the garbage stinking. In the end, it was revealed that the "cheese" he ate was actually caulk, and a listed side effect of its ingestion is "making you think you can see the future but you can't".
- In Daria, Jake picks several unfamiliar berries while the family is out camping, which all but Daria eat. Soon, Jake and Helen are chasing after his spirit animal, while Quinn tries to use a mudpuddle as makeup; in the end, Daria has to call for them to be airlifted to a hospital.
- Futurama
- Lrr, Emperor of Omicron Persei 8, eats a hippie right before delivering a speech in "The Problem with Popplers", and ends up rambling about his hands.
- The essence of pure flavor is nothing more than water. Water laced with LSD.
- Occurs on The Simpsons. In "Selma's Choice", Lisa drinks the water from a flume ride and declares "I am the Lizard Queen!" in parody of Jim Morrison.
- And, of course, the infamous Guatemalan insanity peppers which begin Homer's vision quest.
- Plus the episode where he finds out his middle name is "Jay": he destroys the hippies' vegetable juice business by accidentally jamming the bottling machine with a novelty flying disc. He makes up for it by picking all the other vegetables and putting them in the juicer, which turn out to be the hippies' "private vegetables;" we see a montage of townsfolk hallucinations and such, and Chief Wiggum tastes it and comments that "it's nothing but carrot juice and peyote."
- Teen Titans features a much darker version of this trope when Robin inhales a hallucinogen and believes the assumed-dead Slade to be plotting to destroy the city.
- Sokka in Avatar The Last Airbender winds up drinking some raw cactus juice in the middle of a desert. As a side note, many have heard of Peyote but few realize that it is a cactus. Cue camera switching to Fish-Eye as Sokka becomes a Talkative Loon. He offers to share the wealth, insisting that cactus juice is the "Quenchiest!" His (much wiser) friends decline.
- Clone High
- And let's not even start on the episode about smoking raisins, in which a motivational speaker telling the school not to do drugs emphasizes how addicted he was by saying, "I would have smoked anything! I probably would have smoked... I dunno, raisins if I thought it would get me high!" The raisins, believed by everyone to be smokable, become potent mental drugs. It most notably affects Gandhi, who goes on a spiritual quest with a Donkeycorn only to wake up later, completely naked and confused.
- This is how The Beatles got introduced to acid. John and George were visiting their dentist/friend for dinner one night in April 1965, and he spiked their coffee with the stuff. They liked it enough to share it with Ringo. Paul was reluctant, holding out for about a year before breaking down and trying it. He still preferred weed.
- Also: supposedly Patti La Belle's trippy monologue in the Labelle version of Cat Stevens' "Moon Shadow" was the result of an unwitting acid trip.
- The Merry Pranksters introduced a lot of people to LSD by mixing it with various drinks (like orange juice and Kool-Aid), especially at parties called "Acid Tests". Although they would generally indicate which punch was laced with acid and which one wasn't, a number of people would either come in late or miss the hint and not know they were getting dosed. Since hilarity did not always ensue, stories of these incidents contributed to the backlash that led to the drug's prohibiton, prompting hallucinogen users to blame the Pranksters for ruining acid for everyone.
If people are confusing it this much something needs to be done.
Also is there a difference between Alien Catnip and Drunk on Malts? Or is Alien Catnip just a subtrope? I Cant Believe Its Not Heroine seems to be just about the same as well.
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Someone who inadvertently gets intoxicated is Lemon Wacky Hello, whether they hallucinate or not.
Someone who is hallucinating due to some substance is Mushroom Samba, whether inadvertent intoxication caused it or not.
Someone who gets inadvertently intoxicated and hallucinates is both, but the example on The Lemon Wacky Hello page should concentrate on the "Got intoxicated" part and the entry on Mushroom Samba should focus on the "Hallucinated" part.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Ah, got it. What about Drunk on Malts, Unsuspectingly Soused, I Can't Believe It's Not Heroin!, and Alien Catnip though?
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From the Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions:
* In a Lemon Wacky Hello, a character (un)knowingly ingests drugs and begins acting strangely.
- In a Mushroom Samba, a character ingests drugs (unknowingly or otherwise) and begins hallucinating wildly.
- Overlap is common, but a character in a Lemon Wacky Hello will often react strangely to real-world situations, while a character in a Mushroom Samba may react perfectly rationally to nonexistent stimuli.
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Unsuspectingly Soused is a subtrope of Lemon Wacky Hello, dealing specifically with ingesting alcohol unknowingly.
The others are sister tropes, I'd say, since they deal with characters becoming intoxicated on substances that normally aren't intoxicating at all. I Can't Believe It's Not Heroin! is the supertrope to Drunk on Malts; Alien Catnip is off by itself.
What we could probably used is a super-supertrope along the lines of Hes Drunk to gather in all the related tropes.
edited 6th Sep '10 2:20:06 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
One of the types of Lemon Wacky Hello is: Characters experience mind-altering side effects from overconsuming a completely innocuous substance, like sugar, ice cream, or steak sauce.
So Drunk on Malts for example seems to be a subtrope, but if it's a subtrope of I Can't Believe It's Not Heroin!, then what? (Am I just reading it wrong?)
Same thing for Unsuspectingly Soused, since both cover drinking something that they think is non-alcoholic, but definitely isn't.
There seems to be some agreement for the rename, but everyone seems to get the differences between these tropes besides me, so maybe I should just drop it.
Hypertrope: Inebriation
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Wait, Hypertrope? Like a Super-Super-Trope?
...You know, I've always liked the Parent-Child relationship system more than the Super-Sub.
Helpful Scripts and Stylesheets here.
Renames suggested so far:
Anything others?
As for hypertropes...Oh hey a squirrel!
edited 6th Sep '10 8:14:58 PM by VincentGaribaldi
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As far as I can tell (because thet really are pretty badly written):
- Drunk on Malts: A character gets inebriated on something they intend to get them wasted, but In-Universe not actually capable of it (the Placebo Effect).
- Unsuspectingly Soused: A character gets inebriated on something intoxicating that they're aware causes inebriation, but they don't suspect to be intoxicated to the quick degree they are.
- G-Rated Drug: A non-intoxicating substance in Real Life is capable of intoxication In-Universe.
- Alien Catnip: A substance not intoxicating for normal people In-Universe is intoxicating to a being that exists only In-Universe.
- Lemon Wacky Hello: A character is inebriated with a substance they don't expect to cause inebriation, and we see how they act to the outside world.
Does that explain the distinctions?
While we're at it, I Can't Believe It's Not Heroin! and G-Rated Drug seem to be describing the same trope, in the sense that one is just The Same But More of the other.
Note that Lemon Wacky Hello, as a Word Salad Title, I use as the Most Triumphant Example of a terrible, terrible trope name.
I say we split Lemon Wacky Hello into two clear and separate tropes:
- Accidental Drug Use
- Bizarre altered-state actions shown from the perspective of the outside world (as opposed to Mushroom Samba, which shows the perspective of the hallucinating character).
For example, Hank Hill in King Of The Hill mistaking a marijuana joint for "one of those Mexican cigarettes" and immediately trying to induce vomiting is an example of the former but not the latter, whereas the episode of Life On Mars where Sam's comatose 2006 body is accidentally overdosed (if I recall correctly, written off in 1973 as a fever) and his conscious 1973 self tells Gene Hunt to "stay out of Camberwick Green" is an example of the latter but not the former.
edited 6th Sep '10 9:03:50 PM by STUART
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From the Lemon Wacky Hello page: Trope Namer: A dirt-flavoured Chinese candy called "Lemon Wacky Hello" in an episode of Just Shoot Me the characters don't know is laced with opiates.
When I hear Lemon Wacky Hello, this trope is not the first thing that comes to mind. I'm not sure a reference to Just Shoot Me is the best trope namer, especially when the name is basically just random words strung together.
One or more characters accidentally partakes of some behavior-altering substance. There are several ways this can happen:
The first type seems to be Unsuspectingly Soused, and the third type seems to be Drunk on Malts. There also seems to be some overlap with Mushroom Samba in the examples. As I read it, with Mushroom Samba you end up basically tripping, while with Lemon Wacky Hello you end up getting drunk or high.
So maybe a merge with Unsuspectingly Soused, Drunk on Malts, (and maybe) Mushroom Samba, or a making it the supertrope to all of them and making a separate trope for the second kind is in order. Regardless, I think a rename is in order since the current name is pretty random.