During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Professor Gigachad
Animated Films.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Frank
Changing my vote to abstain on Titus
Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 6th 2022 at 9:13:48 AM
Professor Gigachad
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Also Wet the correct trope would be Bitch in Sheep's Clothing.
to Frankland
Best Smile
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Sure to Frankland, and yes to the rewrites.
Okay, I'm kindly requesting that, with the exception of 43's rewrite, no more writeups get added to the Drafts until I clean them out, hopefully later today.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Sure. When you do, I'll get mine...there's a lot we need to clear out now
Professor Gigachad
As I have said in the past ACW, I am willing to help with clearing the drafts if needed.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Appreciated, but I should be able to handle it.
Yeah...how did we get from no pending a few weeks ago to 15-20 now?
BTW, I'm going to ask if we could get the Hardy Boys page launched by Thanksgiving, if not Halloween?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
to Spencer and dr Frankland
Junior, Thiago, Crockett, Smaug, Vlad, Donkey, Spencer and Frankland
Frankland. Switching to to Titus.
Goku Black
Titus and Frankland.
And also man is that a huge improvement over the original for Thaddeus. Rewwrite.
Yes to Frankland, great catch!
Added the Cleekster big W!
Yes to Smaug (strange that a huge release like The Hobbit gets re-evaluated after 8 years...), Frank, The Donkey, uh hey guys
Randomly found this on Villainous Parental Instinct -
- Pan's Labyrinth: Vidal may be a cold-blooded torturer and mass murderer, but he is totally committed to his baby son. It's implied that he only married Carmen because she got pregnant, and he instructs the doctor to let her die if it saves the baby. When he's finally cornered by Mercedes and the rebels at the end, despite being the Determinator up until that point, he gives up relatively easily and calmly hands over the baby to Mercedes, asking her to give him his watch and tell him his Last Words when he grows up. Mercedes refuses.
I haven't seen that movie in years, but Vidal is a poster boy for a CM that Monster.Live Action Films features him as a quote source. Is that trope entry misused?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I've not seen the film, but from what I've heard he cares about his son more as his legacy than anything else.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Vidal only cares about the kid as a legacy. He makes that abundantly clear. It's a big point for him
The Draftsman of Doom
Yes to Bob, tentative yes to Titus.
Feels good, don't it?
So... delete the Vidal trope entry for misuse (citing this thread), or leave it?
Edited by RobertTYL on Oct 7th 2022 at 9:04:31 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Maybe make it Heir Club for Men or something?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I think the trope is still valid. What it needs if anything is a small addendum to clarify that he only cares about the kid as a succession of himself, not because he's a Papa Wolf.
...aaaand done. Though the grammar may be a bit iffy since my memory on that movie is somewhat vague
Goku Black
So uh anyone keep in the new Stepford wives I Mean Don't Worry Darling?
Edited by miraculous on Oct 7th 2022 at 8:25:39 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I misread "Instinct" for "Incest" for a second, and was so confused, lol.
But yeah, sounds like it's not true care.
I think I have enough votes for the Bellroc image but should I put it in Western Animation or Animated Films? Because that image is from Trollhunters: Rise of the Titans
Edited by WetFlannels on Oct 6th 2022 at 5:12:41 PM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.