Image Pickin' Backlog Discussion

Over at IP recently there's been a lot of fuss over the backlog. The Image Suggestion Thread in particular has had some minor issues with deciding what sort of images deserve to be crownered, and there's an entire sandbox for that thread to handle the amount of images being suggested. Some people have taken to making threads for certain images, but there are concerns that this only pushes the backlog elsewhere instead of reducing it. For the past few days, the forum has been consistently at the max number of threads, which rarely happens. It was agreed to make a discussion thread so that we can all come to a consensus about what's the best way of handling this.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 20th 2023 at 5:03:37 AM

I have to admit the forum filling up constantly has been a touch annoying but I've been doing my best not to thread spam when I see slots open and just keep it to one, or two each time time threads become available at best and realistically only one unless a bunch of slots become available or they don't get all taken for a few hours. I am also conscious about making the backlog worse so I've got a couple of suggestions for blank pages I'm sitting on until we get a Crowner done which has also been touch annoying I'll be honest but I see why we need a better control on it.

For starters, I think Awesome Music and Drinking Game pics can go straight on pages without any sort of discussion or voting as long as they clearly depict music being played/a character drinking.

Moments subpages such as Funny/, TearJerker, NightmareFuel, etc. tend to be a bit more difficult since the essential qualities there (whenever an image depicts something funny/sad/scary/etc.) can be a lot more debatable, compared to the aforementioned Awesome Music and Drinking Game. The problem is that with some suggestions, nobody has any objections, but with others, people are more reluctant and think they should go on the crowner, but that tends to be debated by only a few people (including myself), and it’s rather awkward to debate such in the middle of the thread since it’s not made for discussion. So yeah, that’s pretty must the gist of it.

I agree with . Also, Heartwarming/ is usually easy because two people hugging tends to be sufficient. Tear Jerker/ and Funny/ runs the risk of JAFAAC. Awesome/ and Nightmare Fuel/ are more hit-or-miss

Images for Derivative Works pages are also being added directly to the corresponding page, and they tend to be collages.

Edited by Paperfly on Dec 20th 2023 at 2:29:01 AM

Derivative Works, Drinking Game and Awesome Music are easy to add without the crowner. The rest can be a little difficult depending of what is illustrating.

Edited by StalkerGamer on Dec 20th 2023 at 11:00:52 AM

I would probably ask why some images are crownered. I'd probably have it a rule that people can add an image and that the only grounds to crowner it is substantial disagreement with a given image.

People already 'can add images unless the page has been tagged (or already has one).

An image being crowned also makes it mod-tagged so it can't be replaced easily.

Anyway, I think only tropes and some major pages (which?) needs to be crowned. Others can be pushed right away when a crowner is compiled if there are positive replies.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Dec 21st 2023 at 5:05:51 AM

Can we increase the crowner limit? Do 25 pics instead of 15? It's not like voting is that time-consuming?

Can we increase the crowner limit? Do 25 pics instead of 15? It's not like voting is that time-consuming.

The crowner limit is more because (1) making the crowner takes time (2) adding the images (tagging, updating Image Source, etc) also takes time. (And I am personally running low on it as I recently started a new job + the holiday lurch, which appears to have roughly coincided with this increased burst of activity.) If there was some sort of resolution that the legwork could consistently be done by volunteers, then I'd be much more amenable to making bigger ones.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 21st 2023 at 9:42:29 AM

I wouldn't mind doing crowners from time to time, I just haven't learned how to do it yet and dunno if I want to jump right in to doing it for the images, which seems overwhelming and confusing sometimes.

Personally I do feel like people need to be a bit more bold about adding images to pages if there's no reason to believe they can't. I also feel like some of the things people make threads for don't necessarily need to be threads; some images aren't bad, they're just not perfect, and while I have no real issue with people deciding that something can be done better... I worry that we may need to be more selective.

And people specifically collecting images just so that they can make a thread seems backwards to me. I'd rather images get put directly on pages than to use a thread slot to vote, especially if one image was clearly chosen just to have thread justification (this is something that people have admitted to doing lately).

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 21st 2023 at 12:38:35 PM

FernandoLemon actually makes a valid point to increase the crowner. If 25 is too much how about increasing it to 20 and perhaps shorten the amount of time needed to vote on crowners. Would that be alright?

Also Synchronicity suggestion of having volunteers to help out with crowners is a good idea.

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 20th 2023 at 11:26:55 PM

Shortening crowner time has never really worked; it just leads to the crowners not having enough votes.

I noticed that any image suggestions for which a thread was created have been removed from the Image Pickin' Backlog. I don't think that should have been done, because the point of the sandbox was to keep track of every single image proposed on the thread, and provide reasons why certain images were left off crowners.

Edited by Paperfly on Dec 23rd 2023 at 12:01:49 PM

Won't the page just get huge, though?

At the moment, images aren't being proposed at the rate they were being proposed earlier, and if the pages for which threads were created were included, there would only be 7 additional entries

Right now there's an influx of Referenced By images. Those feel like the type of thing that are almost never going to actually require a crownering.

Referenced by... pics (along with Awesome Music) tend to be a bit tricky, because sometimes they’re obviously illustrative, but other times, people have qualms about them, so they get thrown on the crowner…

Personally, I’m fine with throwing all Referenced by... suggestions currently on the backlog straight onto their respective pages, sans ReferencedBy.Zootopia, which some people seem to have found obtuse.

There's also discussion of creating a thread for ReferencedBy.Tolkiens Legendarium

Edited by Paperfly on Jan 3rd 2024 at 5:56:46 PM

I guess I just prefer the method of voting to pull bad images instead of filtering everything through the thread. There's no requirement for anything to go through the crowner, so I'm just surprised that people throw so many things at it instead of just adding images directly. I genuinely feel like things would slow down significantly if people focused on pulling bad images over discussing whether or not to add a new one.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 3rd 2024 at 12:59:31 PM

I'd prefer to simply, if an image is for a subpage, then if there are 2 and no in a day to implement the image without crowning.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 3rd 2024 at 9:01:32 PM

Maybe the OP of the Image Suggestions Thread should be clearer about people being able to add images to pages directly, and clarify what the thread is actually for?

I mean, the thread is being used properly — it's just that it's use was never mandatory. It's like people bringing obvious misuse to a cleanup thread; you're allowed to do it, but there's nothing that says you can't just zap it (usually).