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With how much artificial intelligence has been improving, in many areas such as text reading/generation, picture reading, picture generation, convincing voice synthesis and more, I think there's a lot that can be discussed, about the effects that this technology will have on society.

I'll start off with one example.

I'd been thinking about the enshittification cycle of tech, and I think it's coming for Google hard. The search engine just isn't so great at finding what you actually want, and I think that's gonna leave a big opening for Bing with their use of AI. If the AI can sift through the crap and actually find what you want for real, due to its understanding of language, it'll actually make searching super useful again.

In the pre-Google internet, search engines used to search only for exact words and phrases, which had its uses, but also meant finding a lot of sites that simply crammed in a lot of popular words and phrases to get visitors. Google cut through the crap with a better understanding of how to "rank" sites relative to how relevant they are, and even find sites that are on the topic you were looking for without using the same exact words.

But Google started to become more advertiser-friendly, then later, more shareholder-friendly. There's a limit to how much one can make their product built entirely around shareholder growth, so as it turns to crap, it leaves an opening for a competitor to show up.

Since Bing/ChatGPT (which Bing is plugged into now) understands the use of language, it can actually understand context and determine relevance based on that. And that'll make it huge, I think. Context-based understanding of web pages can potentially do an excellent job of finding what people actually want, in a way that goes way beyond Google's page ranking systems, or the examination of exact words.

Edited by BonsaiForest on Dec 10th 2023 at 6:15:29 AM

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#651: Apr 26th 2024 at 3:56:08 AM

Oh, I don't mean defamatory to the person being insulted. I mean defamatory towards the person who's being replicated by AI. Misrepresentation etc.

Edited by RainehDaze on Apr 26th 2024 at 11:56:37 AM

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DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#652: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:46:51 PM

Did he use it to make money?

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#653: Apr 27th 2024 at 4:42:14 PM

I mean, it's part of a rap track, right? I'd imagine that's a 'yes'.

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#654: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:04:46 PM

Dumbest thing about it is, like most people who don't think things any further than the now now, the dude apparently used his school email on the school's computer to sign up for the program.

Edited by terumokou on Apr 27th 2024 at 7:10:28 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#655: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:24:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] How would that work? One of the people who’s voice was copied is dead, meaning they can’t be defamed, and the other would have to prove damage to his reputation and actual malice against him by the person doing the defaming, which given the particulars here seems like it would be basically impossible. As far as impersonation, that crime requires the act to be done with the intent to deceive others. I don’t think the intent in this song was to convince people Tupac had risen from the grave.

They should have sent a poet.
DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#656: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:56:37 PM

I'm thinking more copyright infringement.

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#657: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:47:43 PM

the main reason i ask, is because I'm pretty confident that if i uploaded "Tupac vs Elvis, Rap Battle!" to youtube, and i voiced both characters with no AI assistance, i would be legally in the clear, even if i did a really good voice impression and sounded just like both of them. So either the copyright infringement applies to that as well, or the case needs to clarify exactly why using ai specifically violated copyright

"direct samples of their voice were used to create the ai" is one possible direction to go with, but that would be a very big legal decision that would invalidate pretty much all generative ai currently available. it would have much bigger implications than this video, anyway

Edited by Tremmor19 on Apr 28th 2024 at 5:52:23 AM

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#658: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:32:27 PM

The issue is that no one could confuse the actors in the rap battle videos for the real thing, thus it doesn't impinge on the property rights of the original artist (or their estate in the case of their death). An AI generated voice, on the other hand...

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#659: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:39:33 PM

that's a valid idea— so if it's very obvious that it's fake, that would be a good line to draw? like, elvis would be fine (obviously did not make a rap diss track), but not tupac?

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#660: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:13:05 PM

According to Wikipedia: "To win a claim of copyright infringement in civil or criminal court, a plaintiff must show he or she owns a valid copyright, the defendant actually copied the work, and the level of copying amounts to misappropriation. Under the doctrine of substantial similarity, a work can be found to infringe copyright even if the wording of text has been changed or visual or audible elements are altered."

A parody, however, would fall under Fair Use.

Edited by DeMarquis on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:13:18 AM

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