Secret Invasion

They could also have simply avoided the "own skins" comments as the Skrulls in the comics consider their shapeshifted forms to be the same as their green ones.

After all, shapeshifting is a gift from their gods.

Then how would the racist subtext the show clearly wanted be included

Oh there's still plenty racism to go around!

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Do it through the only actually effective way they could, Fury/'Rhodey'?

With Talos, G'iah, and maybe Gravik, this explanation would definitely work perfectly.

But then why would they revert back to their natural forms when they're dying or heavily injured?

They did mention something about that, saying it's harder for anyone to notice flaws in their disguise the longer they stay in one form. It was an obvious Hand Wave, and utterly failed to justify why they didn't decide "well, I'm on the run from my own people, it's time to pick a new face and give up the old one entirely," but it was there.

Who wrote this series? Because it was just... problematic. In both big and small ways. I heard something about Samuel L. Jackson having a hand in it, but I don't see anything on Written by Cast Member.

He wrote the anecdote on the train as it’s based on his own childhood

I don’t know if he wrote much else and even if he did, there were massive reshoots

Kyle Bradstreet, the guy who made Mr. Robot is the one who's credited as the head writer, but there was another guy who apparently rewrote a good chunk of the show and wasn't credited. Said guy also had barely any experience with screenwriting, with his only other work being a movie that flopped at the box office and got less than 30% on Rotten Tomatoes.

The new guy, Brian Tucker, also got writing credits for all six episodes, two as sole writer and the other four as co-writer. Take that for what you will regarding the scope of the reshoots.

I'm genuinely curious what Kyle Bradstreet thinks of the show now, given so much of his work seems to have been heavily altered.

On a side note, unless I forgot about it, there were also no scenes where the Skrulls turned into inanimate objects. Yeah, we all know about the "why would I turn into a filing cabinet?" scene, but it would have been a useful technique. Of course, that's assuming MCU Skrulls can do that (the comic ones can).

You know the show's gravest flaw? At no point is an enemy Skrull forced into cow form by Reed Richards.

At some point I wondered if that was the direction the series was taking. Fury going "look pal, I finally found a place for your people to live - you like grass, right?" and Talos trying to convince his people that spending the rest of their lives mimicking cattle would be a good thing.

Though that would have been a fitting fate for Gravik.

So I read on the Secret Invasion YMMV page that the work had the usual bathos. I don't remember any such moments, for all its faults, I do think it kept a consistent serious tone for the most part.

If something says "usual bathos" without providing any actual examples, it's a safe cut.

Examples have to be specific. I wouldn't put "this movie has the traditional MCU humor" under Funny Moments.

I have been wondering if Failure Hero could apply to Fury in this series. He is always one step behind Gravik, gets two friends murdered on his watch, has to let G'iah handle the bad guy, and his one victory (saving the President's life) turns out to have very dire consequences. And it even extends retroactively - he failed to find a new home for the Skrulls despite promising he would.

I wonder if this series will be referenced in The Marvels. "Oh, hey, Carol and Monica. You remember the Talos family you befriended? Well they are both dead and their daughter now hates humans - you should really have kept in touch with her Monica. Oh, and extraterrestrials are now hunted by the US government. Now, let's work on untangling your powers from Kamala's."

No, that's not how Failure Hero works. If you have to isolate chosen parts of a character's narrative, then it doesn't count.

Also saying he had to let G'iah handle the bad guy is a biased statement. Fury understood he couldn't beat Gravik in a one on one confrontation, so he sent someone else.

That'd be like saying Fury had to let the Avengers fight Loki and the Chitauri because he was too weak to do it by himself.

Edited by ArthurEld on Sep 12th 2023 at 2:08:01 AM

See I think the criticism being made is that the real Fury didn't set foot anywhere near New Skrullos, and had no face-to-face conversations with Gravik in the present-day during the season. (This kinda builds on a criticism I brought up a few pages ago that most of Fury's history with Gravik and the Skrulls is told to us through exposition, compared with the lengthy flashbacks we get illustrating his relationship with Varra.)

"Fury didn't have screen time with the bad guy" is very different than "Fury was too weak to beat the bad guy."

I mean, Fury probably wouldn't have won a fist fight with Gravik.

He tried fighting a Skrull with his bare fists (Talos specifically) and got his ass kicked.

And Talos hadn't juiced himself up on every single super power the way Gravik did.

Which is why you use a gun.

:)

....He'd have to make that shot count.

Plus, Extremis kinda renders guns useless, as Gi'ah herself showed us.

Fury already used a gun, it didn't work

Well, there you go.