Marvel Studios’ Ms. Marvel

I thought Jason Todd was the middle child, since he y'know, died. And then came back as a trigger-happy vigilante.

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Tim is the middle child in the narrative sense, in that they have no idea what to do with him and this includes how old he is

Damian is the kid, while Jason and Dick are accepted as adults

Meanwhile Tim keeps getting flip-flopped on whether he's a young teenager or a young adult.

The Batgirls post Barbara suffer from a similar issue. Cass and Steph in the current Batgirls ongoing are written as if they are teenagers when a previous ongoing depicted Steph as college age.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Problem with the forever narrative of comics. The older guys never get old or retire forever, setting an upper age cap. While new, young characters keep being introduced pushing at how young the original young characters can be

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

More pertinently, none of this works in live-action because your actors inevitably age and/or want to move on to other projects.

What makes Iman Vellani even more remarkable in this case is that Kamala Khan is the only role she's ever played and the only role she's shown any interest in playing. She hadn't even seriously considered a career in acting before she got the part.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 19th 2022 at 6:35:02 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Not if Disney has anything to say about it! [gestures at the Mark Hamill Vocaloid they set up for The Mandalorian]

They also used that same vocaloid to re-create 70s/80s James Earl Jones' voice in Obi-Wan Kenobi, presumably because of the complaints in Rogue One.

I do wonder what Iman will end up doing after Kamala Khan's story finishes. She could go the Sarah Vowell route and become a writer or something while still being involved in the superhero world somehow.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 19th 2022 at 5:01:23 AM

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I have questions about the "vocaloid" thing. Mark Hamil got paid for that, right? Because they were using his voice, even if they didn't actually have to drag him in to record lines (and couldn't, because his voice has changed so much). Because if he didn't get paid, voice acting is going to go to a very dark place very quickly as companies just digitally recreate their own actors.

Yeah, but a vocaloid can't be asked to mix Peter Lorre and Lance Henriksen's voices like Corey Burton can. When it comes to original voices, the VA industry is gonna be fine.

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Feels like we've gotten a bit off topic here...

season 2 in a show always has the advantage that it doesn't have to bother to establish things as much as season 1 did so that means more time with Kamala as a heroine without that pesky origin story stuff getting in the way before we can get to that.

So here's a bit of world-building trivia that popped up in She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, episode 8. I guess I should spoiler-tag it even though it's only tangentially relevant to the plot: the Sokovia Accords have been repealed. What this means for Ms. Marvel is that Damage Control cannot be operating under their authority, since they no longer exist.

I always assumed that DoDC was using the Accords as a rationale for incarcerating supers, but either that's a plot hole or they're operating under a separate authority. It's also possible that the writers of Ms. Marvel were never given this detail.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 6th 2022 at 8:40:11 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Even if the Accords are gone, its not that much of a stretch to assume there are other laws regarding supers.

You and I remember Budapest very differently

This is true, and they are never brought by name in this show. It's just an interesting bit of trivia since we were all assuming the Accords to be in effect.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

The Accords were international law, and specifically aimed at globetrotting heroes like the Avengers. Superheroes who stick to their own country are probably handled under local laws (which is presumably why Spider-Man never had any trouble prior to the London incident).

Oh, great, so now Civil War really had no lasting consequences—'

Guess we gotta have Civil War 2 to rectify that!

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I mean, it had lasting effects for 6 years real time and 9ish years in-universe. I think that's a pretty decent run.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Oct 6th 2022 at 12:55:10 PM

Plus, it did kinda play a role in destroying the Avengers.

Zemo's gambit was just the final straw. The fact he did it at a time when the team was already fraying due to Tony's issues, Steve's desire to save Bucky, the Avengers already being under scrutiny for both Sokovia disaster and the incident at the beginning of the movie, and other things I might be forgetting, didn't help.

If not for the threat of the Accords putting everyone under far more stress than they'd normally be under, I honestly don't think Zemo's exposing Bucky would have worked. Or at least, Tony wouldn't have flipped out right in the moment like he did.

Getting back to my point, the Accords split up the Avengers (or at least partially created the situation that lead to the break-up), which is the reason why they weren't able to stop Thanos when he came.

One Strip! One Strip!

Not to get into it again but I was never quite convinced by the assertion that civil war was what allowed Thanos to win. Though that's certainly what the film makers were going for.

But then again it also seemed to take a certain amount of Diabolus ex Machina to let him win against the people he did face. Perhaps I can't convince myself they would have let him win against the full team anyway.

I think that assertion holds up. It's extremely unlikely that Ebony Maw would've been able to beat Strange with Cap, Wanda, Iron Man, Spider-Man, and a full power Vision all teaming up, never mind all the others as well. From there, Thanos would've had to come to Earth to get the Time Stone and I don't think he'd stand much of a chance at that point.

Then again, I'd argue that the only reason Thanos started his quest when he did was because he knew there was a small window for his success at that current time. So I don't think we would've even tried to take on a united Avengers team.

Wrong thread, folks.

I just wanted to bring it up in the context of Ms. Marvel, not relitigate Civil War.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I didn't even notice this was the Ms. Marvel thread. I saw Marvel, saw the conversation, thought it was the main MCU thread. Whoops!

Now I want Ms. Marvel to fight a variant of Ebony Maw.

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The full series will be airing on ABC, as a part of the broadcast network's "Wonderful World of Disney" programming event.

According to The Fulton Critic:

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As an aside, Iman Vellani is co-writing the upcoming Ms. Marvel comic book run, according to Entertainment Weekly.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 28th 2023 at 10:29:45 AM

I personally had a good time with the show. A teen girl born in America with a family that's got a very strong interest in culture become a super-powered being and have to learn how to deal with the situation at hand and its connection to the past is an unusual plot. Having her and friends run amok of Damage Control in the finale and the commentary there were both effective things too.

Look forward to see how it ties into The Marvels beyond the trailers soon.