X-Men '97 (Disney +): Continuation of X-Men: The Animated Series

Apocalypse was always more about survival of the fittest. He once had Hulk, a none mutant, be his horseman of War.

To the people saying Magneto is acting in self-defense with his EMP attack... like, I'm pretty sure EMP-nuking the entire planet just to stop one specific group that he could have very easily stopped in less-destructive ways isn't exactly self-defense. In fact, he may end up killing more people than the Prime Sentinels did by doing so. Billions of humans and mutants may be killed through things like vehicular failures, life support failures, collapse of emergency services, etc.. And any robots not aligned with the Prime Sentinels like Vision and such will probably be fried alongside them, effectively genociding an entire species in the exact same way Bastion was trying to.

And to the people being all "Magneto is right cuz humans always try to kill mutants"... like, c'mon, man. As if evil mutants aren't constantly trying to exterminate humans too. No side has clean hands in this. That's how it's always been in this franchise.

Now, all that being said, I do admit I'm apprehensive about how hard this episode is seemingly going on the Humans Are the Real Monsters stuff, as it's all too similar to stuff the worst kind of X-Writers do. Stuff like having Val turn out to be working with Bastion, suggesting some of the Prime Sentinels were alt-right volunteers and not unwillingly transformed, having Roberto's mom be such a piece of shit, etc.. While there's some clear attempts to keep from going too far (having Val realize she made a mistake, Bastion's allies all seeming very displeased about working with him, noting that only some of the Prime Sentinels were volunteers and even they didn't know what it was actually about, etc.), it definitely gets a little much. The last thing the show wants to do is bungle itself by going on the borderline misanthropic and terminally online "minorities should murder the majority or they'll never be safe!/violence and bigotry is okay when the minority is doing it because it's just punching up" shit that bad X-Men writers fly right into and which better writers criticize. Hopefully the next episodes counter it.

I really like this show's origin for Bastion. Much less convoluted than the comics' origin and much cooler. I especially like watching the evolution of him from just some normal, well-meaning kid with a mother who actually supported nonhuman rights and told him she would love him no matter his power, to this hateful man turned into an embodiment of a senseless war between different strains of human.

You clearly haven't heard of EMP in fiction, which practically only shuts down devices for a while.

Beu Demayo has confirmed on social media the following

Rose Gilberti is Bastion's mother. She was a waiter at a bar in the classic series two-parter "One Man's Worth"

Madame Masque was not the woman speaking to Bastion with Doom and Zemo. It wasn't intended to be any villain actually, just a generic official

Edited by Zarius on May 1st 2024 at 10:00:51 AM

That Wolverine and Nightcrawler fight choreography is something else, loved the first person teleport visualization.

Sadly enough Jubilee is still useless in fights. [sad]

Who's saying any of that? You've just ascribed your own thoughts to critics and the show. That's probably not what the show's about. Magneto's still a bad guy. The real hero just turned up at the end and it's probably his dream they are going for.

If they don't I'll criticise it but not before it actually pulls those plot points.

Edited by dcutter2 on May 1st 2024 at 6:21:55 PM

Dude. Literally look on the previous page of this thread. You will see people saying exactly that stuff.

Whoops. Skimmed the last page and did miss someone saying it was self-defense. Apologies.

That said I doubt the realistic consequences of the world wide EMP in terms of deaths will be touched upon. (And on the flipside things like essential infrastructure being hardened against EMP is also ignored)

Edited by dcutter2 on May 1st 2024 at 6:45:14 PM

Magneto probably equaled the number of deaths in Genosha with that one act. Planes falling out of the sky, people dying in surgery or when their life support fails, necessary supplies prevented from reaching where it needs to be when transportation grinds to a stop. Uh, maybe some nuclear explosions, I don't remember what fail safes power plants have against massive EMP hitting entire planet. So I doubt they show will dwell on the ramifications.

How many mutants died in that kind of situations because of the EMP, since it's not like most mutants can survive falling with planes better than the average human.

You know, oddly enough, Magneto never seems to really think about that sort of thing when he's indiscriminately flipping out.

Oh yeah, why did Jubilee and Roberto stop fleeing?

Edited by Ookamikun on May 2nd 2024 at 1:42:42 AM

A lot.

As others have said and as I've said, Magneto's EMP attack realistically is killing millions of humans, mutants, and robots alike, arguably far more than Bastion managed to with Genosha or the Prime Sentinels. It very explicitly did kill many people in the comics. Unlike others, I have a feeling the show isn't going to shy away from it and will actively depict the horror and damage it causes. My presumption is that Magneto and Bastion are both going to be the dual Final Boss of the season, as this arc is merging Zero Tolerance, Fatal Attractions, and Planet X all into one.

Magneto never thinks about how his actions might negatively affect others, including his own people. It's one of his biggest flaws and a big reason why he's the villain. His terrorism causes death and hardship for mutants as much as for humans or sentinels.

Also I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention how Bastion has Daria/Sentinel Girl with him. She's an old fave of mine.

Edited by immortaleditor on May 1st 2024 at 10:50:23 AM

x12:

I'm having a hard time understanding why this tidbit (that even you acknowledge only applies to some test subjects) is considered "too much" in the first place? As some folks have pointed out, the show alludes to real-world radicalization websites like Stormfront, which have existed since 1996 (in widespread accessible use, though more primitive bulletin board versions were made in the early 1990s). Furthermore, we've already seen some humans willingly arming themselves with Sentinel gear with the Friends of Humanity and the X-Cutionier, knowing exactly what they're getting into.

In honor of the latest episode

Because in the comics, the Prime Sentinels were entirely innocent victims. No mention of "volunteers"; they were all just random people that Bastion converted into his sleeper agents. Bringing in the idea of volunteers consenting to it carries implications of "these millions of people all hated the super-minority SO MUCH they let themselves be turned into death machines" even though that's not what the show is intending to say. And while the radicalization website thing could work as good commentary, that sort of subject was already touched on with the Friends of Humanity at the start of the season as you mentioned. Throwing it in here just means one more addition to the "Marvel civilians suck" pile that the episode is already full of.

God, people are gonna be so fucking obnoxious about that shit. Magneto-worshippers are always the worst in this fandom and as fantastic as this show is, it's totally gonna embolden them. Though it will be hilarious if the next two episodes spend most of their screentime instead refuting that and spelling out how wrong Magneto is.

Edited by immortaleditor on May 1st 2024 at 11:00:05 AM

I made the absolute biggest jackoff motion with my hand the second she said that at the end of the episode.

And if Magneto ends up hijacking another piece of X-Men media, I think I'm gonna explode.

Edited by GNinja on May 1st 2024 at 6:33:49 PM

While I'm pretty hopeful they're not going to vindicate him entirely. The person standing the middle of genocide thinking the person who always warned us they'd get genocided was right isn't exactly far fetched or implausible.

There is the thing that Magneto most likely overheard Bastion talking with the other OZT backers. At this point if all the human governments really are in agreement about this, might as well go to war then.

Also, someone mentioned Sunspot's mom dropping the "You people" line on the last page. It was actually Jubilee who said that. She called humans "you people"

hashtag Bastion was right.

Double post. Ignore.

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on May 1st 2024 at 3:30:01 PM

Anyone ever wanna sleep in the X-Mansion? Airbnb has a new promo for the opportunity, among others.

A proper flythrough is available through Twitter here: https://x.com/scottgustin/status/1785748695738118301?s=46&t=7YT7yMPCw2VMMwQUxWj5_A

What exactly can Charles do in this situation anyway, besides maybe talk Magneto down (assuming he doesn't mindwipe him like he did in Fatal Attractions)

As you said, if anybody can talk Magneto down, it’s Charles. Plus with him X-men have another powerfull psychic in fight to stop the war.

What can't Charles do is the real question. Charles is so OP it isn't funny. XD

Edited by GNinja on May 1st 2024 at 8:30:36 AM