Troper call - Good Angel, Bad Angel

Hi,

The GoodAngelBadAngel.Webcomics page just took a massive cut, apparently due to lack of appropriate context (edit reason is Weblinks Are Not Examples).

So I'm calling for tropers who are familiar with the webcomics affected, to add the examples back with a satisfying amount of context this time.

Edited by Medinoc on Oct 15th 2021 at 11:38:11 AM

Also, doesn't anyone else here think any cut that large should be preceded by some discussion? I have so far failed to find any, be it on the trope discussion page or on TRS.

Also, some of the examples removed didn't have weblinks in the first place, or seemed to have just as much context (at least to me) as some examples that were kept. And one of the example had both, and was kept but lost the weblinks... Which means, in addition to being (IINM) unilateral, it also feels arbitrary.

Edited by Medinoc on Oct 15th 2021 at 11:43:41 AM

Yeah this looks too rushed for such a big edit.

~Mahoxy anything to say about how unilateral, rushed, no-warning your massive example cut was?

(and outright cut at that, just to make it harder to properly restore — AFAIK, wiki policy on ZCE is to comment them out, not outright remove them)

Since I recently learned that history pages don't quite last forever, I'm copying the (huge!) mass-deleted content here for safekeeping.

• Absurd Notions presents "the dueling consciences of the sysadmin: 'Lazy' and 'Bastard'."
• This Better Days strip. Add in a... Zen Angel, or something.
• Bob and George: Your mother sent me
• Bob the Angry Flower has a good conscience and an evil conscience. Or rather, he has one that gives less-belligerent advice than the other. He's not entirely sure which one is which◊.
• Boy Meets Boy uses this trope a lot.
  • The trope is occasionally subverted when the angel and devil are in agreement.
    • Also when it is discovered that Tabitha has no good angel.
  • Its spinoff Friendly Hostility likes to use this one occasionally. There is one sequence where a good angel is attracted to the classic hooker dressed bad angel. She says they can't be together because they are on opposite sides so he gets a transfer to the bad side just to learn that she's transferred to the good side.
• Expertly parodied in this Brat-halla strip.
• Bronze Skin Inc.: Appear from inside Julia's head in chapter 2.
• Bug uses this format when comparing want vs. need.
• Tony from Charby the Vampirate: His angel just agrees with the devil. And that works both ways.
• Nice Guy Joel from Filthy Lies finds himself with an angel on each shoulder.
  Joel: Two angels? Shouldn't one of you be a devil?
  Angel #1: Nope. You are a total candyass.
  Angel #2: Totally.
• Chopping Block, someone should tell Butch's angel to keep his head on.
  • The replacement wasn't any luckier.
• Used in this Comments on a Postcard strip. Apparently.
• Ctrl+Alt+Del: Ethan has a pair... but the angel appears on the toilet, and then gives Ethan some not-so-good advice.
• Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures
  • Another subversion... well, you know the deal.
  • A different variation.
• UC: Deviating from Normality started playing with this trope, and twisted it in a side story.
• Dragon Tails once spent a week's worth of comics tearing this trope a new one.
• Fanboys: Done a couple of times.
• In Geeks Next Door, the role of the conscience is played by Victor Von Doom. He gives remarkably good advice.
• General Protection Fault treats this as cliché, but better than one of the maniacal jester.
• Seen occasionally in Girls with Slingshots : Thea's here, Hazel's here and Clarice's here. Hazel's good one has been led astray by the company she keeps, and Clarice's seems to be ganging up on her with the evil one.
• Insecticomics, a Transformers fan-comic, subverts the cliché here.

• Jamie Kingston's shoulder angels in Kismetropolis occasionally agree with each other.
• Leif & Thorn: In-universe mythology means they have shoulder imps (bad) and faeries (good). Seen for Thorn here.
• This Lit Brick strip gives Dr. Faustus three shoulder consciences... the third being Mr. T.
• Alice has them in this strip of Loserz. Note that they look like Super-Deformed versions of two friends of her — the Alpha Bitch being the bad one.
• Done in a Mac Hall comic with the devil replaced by Cthulhu.
• Narbonic:
  • Even gerbils have them!
  • The joke is taken to its logical extension in this week, when Dave's sprites react to what Helen's sprites are saying.
• Nedroid gives us Conscience Bear
• The Nice Guy Comic: Here.
• The Oatmeal used this to bring up why digital piracy is justifiable.
• The sci-fi comic Outrim has Prudence's shoulder beings (representing Reason and Emotion instead of Good and Evil) too polite to disagree.
  • Karen herself has a shoulder angel — who mostly seems to spend her time bound and gagged as the prisoner of Karen's two shoulder demons. See here. At another time, though... See here.
• Thomas from Sabrina Online encounters◊ these after he finds out Amy is pregnant with their son, Timothy.
  • "Kill your wife!!!" "Kill your wife... nicely?"
• Parodied in this Something*Positive strip.
• These appear in Squid Row as Randie heads in cherub form, with Good Wings, Evil Wings.
• Guy from Two Guys and Guy takes all the "no good conscience" characters above and shows 'em how it's done.

• Here's another bad-angel variant from Vicious Lies.
• YU+ME: dream
  • Fiona only has one such angel/devil, known as Conscience. Lia's Conscience also makes an appearance once.
  • Later it is demonstrated that, in the absence of a conscience, humans really don't need bad angels to turn into monsters.

Sure, a lot of these did run afoul of Weblinks Are Not Examples and actually need to be fleshed out. Others were already quite fleshy (some weren't links at all!) and I don't understand why they were cut.

The media subforums aren't the place for this sort of thing. For discussion, Ask The Tropers would be better. For short-term projects, short-term projects.

Procedure with Zero-Context Examples is to comment them out, not remove them. Requesting a mod revert on GoodAngelBadAngel.Webcomics

Might as well page ~Twiddler regarding the revert request.

Anyway, locking since this is more of an ATT thing.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 10th 2022 at 7:39:58 AM