Award Snub and Choice Awards

Spurned by this discussion. There are many entries that use the Kids' Choice Award as the basis for Award Snub, usually when a show loses to SpongeBob SquarePants. However, Award Snub seems to be based on a sort of Critical Dissonance, whereas the KCAs voting is done by the audience. Most of the people complaining are in a Periphery Demographic, while the audience for the award show seems to be fine with the results. Because they are children.

Should we just disqualify any entry based on an audience-voting awards' show? The People's Choice Awards is listed on the description page as a way to rectify the tendency towards Award Snub, so other "Choice Awards" probably shouldn't count towards the item.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 5th 2021 at 2:19:04 PM

I'd be fine with banning KCA from Award Snub. Kids are stupid, so the majority of them votes for SpongeBob, even if they know once they grow up that perhaps other shows are better. Unless there's a change in attitude, I think those examples can be removed as an inevitability.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 6th 2021 at 9:13:46 PM

Can Award Snub also count examples where the work was never even nominated? Because in that case, Choice Awards might still have valid examples- but anything that has to do with fan vote can be booted.

Hmm, in that case they may be valid. Given that it's reasonable to expect them to be nominated, of course.

I remember many years ago, there was a "revolution" on the Nick Boards because the House of Anubis fans were pissed that nothing from the show got a nomination. So we gathered together and tried to protest by not voting, but obviously one fanbase wasn't enough to make a dent. I'm not sure if that'd count, but the reaction is certainly there.

What objective criteria are being used to determine when something "deserves an award" and doesn't get it, though? Isn't the whole thing subjective anyway?

It basically is. But with choice awards, it has a reason, especially in Kids’ Choice.

Oh, and what reason is that? I'm dying to hear this one. "Kids are dumb and pick popular stuff over good stuff?"

To be useful as a trope, Award Snub must document only prevalent opinion among critics and other professionals.

Since when is it restricted to "critics and other professionals"? YMMV isn't a trope anyway. I assumed the point was that the audience disagreed with the "professionals" who vote in the Academy and related fields, which is why the KCA and such don't work here, as they're technically documenting a Broken Base (though it's more two different demographics). The "kids are dumb" angle is not the angle I'm talking about here, as I extend the same concern to any other "choice" award, but the KCA tend to pop up more than Teen's Choice or People's Choice.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 6th 2021 at 8:39:55 AM

Yes, and I agree with you. This whole thread is about questioning choice awards where the general public chooses, such as the Teen Choice Awards, Kids Choice Awards, and The People's Choice Awards, in this Trope.

We are saying that if they were completely off the ballet, they count, though.

And to add onto your criticism of me, I hav an explenation. The whole thing that started this, which was an Award Snub listing on the Gravity Falls page where it got snubbed for Spongebob at the Kids Choice, is easily explained (Gravity Falls has a large periphery demograhic who didn't vote, Spongebob is extremely popular among kids who did vote) which begged the question we have now. It's not "Spongebob sux and gravity falls is good and dumb kids don't know that," it's just kids pick Spongebob over Gravity Falls because that's what they watch.

Edited by DookieIdiotNimrod on Apr 6th 2021 at 8:39:51 AM

I'm still not sure what would qualify something for Award Snub other than "it has a lot of fans who disagree with the nominations", which is obviously an audience reaction but no more documentable than, say, the fact that fans like a show.

We might as well rename it Complaining About Shows You Like Not Getting Picked For Awards.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 6th 2021 at 9:36:23 AM

Don't forget that Kids' Choice Award has rather questionable outcomes such as The Simpsons being voted Best Cartoon in 2002, despite it being an Animated Shock Comedy and The Walking Dead being nominated in 2019 for Best Drama despite it being rated TV-MA.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Apr 6th 2021 at 10:42:45 AM

All awards shows have questionable outcomes. That's why the YMMV exists.

Thanks.

I created the YMMV entry a while ago specifically for Favorite Movie 2005 for Spider-Man 2 being beaten by The Incredibles in good faith since it felt like an appropriate example. It also doesn't just seem coincidental that the Favorite Animated Movie category was created the next year. It felt like a direct result of that.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 12th 2024 at 6:44:15 AM

In answer to the "objective criteria" question, among other things there's the issue with the Sci Fi Ghetto and its brethren, i.e. the Academy Awards' tendency to not give or even nominate anything but technical awards to even critically acclaimed sci-fi and fantasy films, The Lord of the Rings being a notable exception (and the source material runs into True Art Is Ancient, which might explain it).

One can argue that the Academy Awards are supposed to represent what the film industry thinks about films. You can call it academy member choice awards.

Really, I think Award Snub shouldn't be used for people's choice awards where the audience votes on who wins.

Edited by Diamondeye218 on Jan 15th 2024 at 11:04:21 AM

Just gonna say, I've never cared for this trope. It seems like an excuse to complain about why your favourite film didn't win.

But if we're going to have it, it should at least stay within strict demarcations. For one thing, I don't think it should apply to films that weren't even nominated, because then, what's stopping you from claiming that the student film you shot with your friends in seventh grade got "snubbed"?

What about retrospective opinions once the kids grow up?

I feel like saying that Award Snub is a form of Critical Dissonance, we're implying Quality by Popular Vote. That if the thing that is the most viewed doesn't win an award, it's some kind of snub.

Edited by SharkToast on Jan 15th 2024 at 5:41:19 AM

I understand, but I disagree, in part because I don't think People = Audience, but also because it implies that general popularity is an objective metric, but popularity with in the film industry isn't.

The article as written focuses on trends, but anything dealing with a specific work is an audience reaction. Literally every movie that qualifies for an award, but doesn't get nominated is spurned. Really the trope is about people getting mad about it.

The trope is generally intended for a work/performance that is critically acclaimed but not nominated, especially when applied to more esoteric genres a la Sci Fi Ghetto. The problem is there are a lot of different variations of the idea that it starts to lose definitve shape.

• Nominated but didn't win against stiff competition.
• Nominated but didn't win despite weak competition.
• Everyone else in the work was nominated except one.
• Critical favorite but ignored by the award committee.
• A singularly praised performance in a work with middling critical response is ignored.
• Fan favorite work but didn't attract much critical attention.

The last two are probably the weakest examples.

It should also be made clear that the awards are relative to the committee that organizes it. The EGOT awards (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony) are basically the studios and internal unions and thus they are being recognized by their peers. Golden Globes are well known to be journalists hoping for a night hanging out with celebrities. Others like SAG, Critics Choice, People's Choice, MTV and Kids Choice are self-explanatory.

Well, the People's Choice used to be based on polling, but now you can vote online multiple times (50 times a day) and your voting can count double on certain days.

Yeah. That's a flawed system to say the least since even if your browser recognizes you, another browser you could vote on won't. You look at how biased the audience was when it came to Nominee Voting at the MTV Movie Awards in the past—specifically in 2010 and 2011 (for the 2009 and 2010 years of film)–and it's no wonder they got rid of it before the next year (Twilight kept getting nominated for and winning most things).

Tricky thing about snubs is that there are plenty people probably would agree with you on. Is there a better means to gage overall audience reactions better though besides just the news or the threads (probably not)?