Values Dissonance around the World.

I agree that spending even five minutes at home with shoes would be unpleasant, but someone who comes home that exhausted isn't going to last that long, heading straight from the front door to the bed (except maybe the restroom).

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

Despite me not drinking alcohol very often, I find it strange, and perhaps insulting, that vodka is a "girly drink" in America.

I have read that since vodka is a strong drink (40% alcohol), it would have been diluted and sweetened to to be drinkable for long socializations. And given that sweetened cocktails have a reputation for being girly despite the higher alcohol content, and drinks like Bloody Mary and Cosmopolitan have vodka, that would the reason why.

But if vodka is considered a "girly" drink in America, why do we have the Vodka Drunkenski stereotype?

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Because that stereotype is very much present all over the world. You say vodka, I think Russia/Eastern Europe and hard drinking.

I never heard of it being called a "girly drink." :S

I smell magic in the air. Or maybe barbecue.

Neither have I.

Ditto here

NVM

Edited by DoubleOG on Nov 18th 2021 at 8:05:55 AM

While cocktails are often considered unmanly, I’ve never seen any base spirits be considered girly.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

When has vodka ever been considered a girly drink? A Cosmopolitan might be considered girly, but not the alcohol in it.

You and I remember Budapest very differently

First time I hear about vodka considered a girly drink too.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.

Never heard that either.

I guess, if I were to stretch it, I'd say that I have a certain perception that Vodka has acquired a somewhat "classy", "stylish" reputation in the U.S. (and maybe elsewhere?) even though it also has the association with drunk Eastern Europeans.

I would guess that it's partly because of its use in martinis and by extension because of James Bond, but Vodka brands (i.e. Grey Goose, Absolut) tend to emphasize cosmopolitan aesthetics and are less "macho" than advertisements for say Scotch or Bourbon.

The closest thing I can think of a "girly" spirit would be wine, and even that is a stretch because that requires equating classy with unmanly.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.

I have seen vodka being asociate with party girls(you know, the whole "girlssss!" who party all the time).

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Here vodka is squarely associated with Russia. But then as an ironclad teetotaller I am hardly an expert in wines.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

While not an entire spirit category, pink gin has feminine associations.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Ok, I do remember that one thing that could be considered girly is Black Beer because it's less bitter than its golden counterpart.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.

Source please?

Because not once, not even once I heard anyone saying that both in fiction and real life.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

I forgot which particular links I have discovered it. (That's what I get for browsing in incognito mode.) I was searching for Zima from the Condemned by History page and why is a sissy drink, and by distraction, I stumbled upon some websites regarding "manly" drinks, such as these. [1], [2].

Though my memory might be muddled if whether it's vodka-based cocktails are girly, or vodka itself.

And I am not alone with that query. Reddit and Quora have asked the same thing, and it's mostly "No".

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Nov 20th 2021 at 1:02:54 AM

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You're taking a weird and outdated and not even all that common gender stereotype way too seriously.

Even that second site you linked points out it's a silly stereotype.

Shit, even that first site you linked includes straight vodka shots and vodka martinis as "manly" drinks.

Edited by M84 on Nov 20th 2021 at 1:13:09 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised

Perhaps you're right. My honest mistake about assumptions.

It does give me an insight though. Aside from providing sources the moment I share it here, With Values Dissonance covering a change of values in place AND time.

Which foreign customs and traditions kept by immigrants are now no longer practiced in their homelands over time? Traditions which seem strange to Americans, but over time, also seem strange even by the homelanders?

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Nov 20th 2021 at 1:32:30 AM

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Simplified versus traditional Chinese characters?

Mexican claxon? That really happens here a lot in Mexico about using the car's horn to call someone, much for someone else's irritation, especially Americans.

...So THAT's why Mexican horns have such a...distinct sound.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Does the Real Men Hate Sugar apply in other countries, or is it majorly a Japanese thing?

I mean, thinking about it, here in the Philippines, remembering from my hazy childhood memory, you're considered a "real man" if you drink beer/rum/gin and barbecue made from pork innards, and talk and act the way action stars did it. I then realized that Filipinos, and probably, other Asians, have an affinity for the sweet-sour-savory combo, even sweetening their meats, that even the "macho men" here make no qualms in eating sweet barbecue and halo-halo, and drinking Coca Cola and energy drinks. Not sure in other parts of Asia though.

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Overall I haven't encountered it much here at all. It's true that there's a bit of a stigma that sweet things are childish, but not directly unmanly, I would say (indirectly, yes, because women are encouraged to be/already viewed as childish).

But sugar and sweets are overall much less sweet here in general than in the States, for instance.

Edited by RedSavant on Jul 1st 2023 at 2:46:38 AM

It's been fun.