Values Dissonance around the World.

Not generally a thing with Brazil, far as rating goes, in fact, I'd argue the national rating board is a bit too strict.

Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (the game) got a 16+ rating, for instance, when nothing in it suggests anything higher than 12+ is necessary.

Well, the thing about age ratings is that they are, by and large, widely believed superstitions rather than concepts based in scientific/empirical research. And such superstitions/values are likely to vary strongly from one culture to the other, whereas findings grounded in scientific/empirical research are more invariant. We are all human, after all.

I'm not sure if we can even do a scientific study on this subject.

Spider-Man (PS4) was rated T (suitable for those 13 and up) here in the U.S, while PEGI gave it a 16+ (closer to the M rating then the T rating). This is why Microsoft didn't sell PEGI 18+ rated games on the Windows 10 store due to it being equivalent to AO in the U.S.

So, I was reading City People Eat Sushi, and I was utterly confused about this at first. There's this ATT query I had regarding this one and how it had sparse wicks since its launching, but I had focus on its description where a country guy gets squicked out by sushi from city folks.

Personally, as a guy from a coastal area from the Philippines, I find this confusing, and I find sushi and well-prepared raw fish delicious. I thought that this was more of an '80s thing when sushi was a novel foreign food, because, as one troper had commented that you can find sushi in remote areas nowadays.

Maybe we should rework the trope to keep the spirit of it. The entire point of it is that the cosmopolitan nature of the contemporary city means that people will more likely run into “odd” foreign foods there than in the country side, which has more traditional food broadly speaking.

Yeah, I think City People Eat Sushi is quickly becoming a Forgotten Trope.

Another thing about anime vs. western animation Values Dissonance-wise is prior to The New '10s there never existed an equivalent to the shonen/shojo demographics. It was either for children under ten or adults over 18 until shows such as Avatar: The Last Airbender and 2010s Cartoon Network came around.

Wearing shoes indoors.

Like, having mostly grown up in Asia, when I first saw Americans wearing shoes indoors, I was like, "What the hell is wrong with you?"

Edited by dRoy on Oct 25th 2020 at 4:04:20 AM

I think most of Europeans have same reaction

Same for me. In fact, some time ago in the moderator forum I posited the same question about why in TV Americans often wear shoes in their houses.

Wait. People wear shoes indoors?

That sounds incredible unsanitary.

At least in public places, it’s been going on so long that it’s be more unsanitary to put your bare feet on those floors.

I'm American and I hate wearing shows inside both mine and other people's houses but I will wear shows in public places.

I wear shoes/sandals inside because in the Brazilian Northeast, dust does not discriminate between the inside and the outside.

I'm gusseing you people live in cold and/or humid places where walking barefoot at home doesn't leave your soles the colour of coal.

Edited by HailMuffins on Oct 24th 2020 at 11:36:35 AM

As a Brit, one thing I've always found kinda baffling is the use of the Did Not Do the Bloody Research trope. Like, the way it's described around the wiki (less so on the trope page itself), it kinda creates the impression that the Four Bs (Bastard, Bloody, Bugger and Bollocks) are serious swear words over here; but I've lived here all my life and they've always seemed more casual. Like, they're still not generally uttered in polite company, but they're more akin to 'crap' or 'damn' than the likes of 'fuck', 'shit' and 'twat'. Is that just how Americans see us using them? :V

One particular swear I've always been intrigued by is 'cunt'. I find it interesting how in America it has strong misogynistic undertones and is considered the most serious of the swears - to my recollection, I only heard it used once in an American work, and the character using it was a depraved misogynistic necrophiliac - but in Commonwealth countries, it's basically just an upgraded version of 'fucker' or 'wanker' and is more commonly used against men. I genuinely have no idea how this came to be. :V

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Oct 24th 2020 at 3:40:21 PM

Speaking of "bastard", it is interesting how different the connotation of this word is. It seems to be considered only as midly insulting in the USA, whereas it is a grave insult in Germany (the German word for "bastard" is "Bastard" btw.).

This is why I was a bit confused about everybody's reaction in DBZA when Vegeta used that word. I thought initially that they were just deliberately overreacting.

Edited by Zarastro on Oct 24th 2020 at 5:46:42 PM

'Son of a bitch' is also quite the casual, almost playful term in the US, and even when it's used as an insult, it doesn't have such a highly offensive connotation as it has in Germany.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 24th 2020 at 6:02:01 PM

On the barefoot thing. I think the main reason americans typically don't remove their shoes (unless asked or the shoes are completely filthy) when entering most places as going barefoot is something we normally do when in our own home or if we're guests in a place that we are staying at. I think we subconsciously associate taking our shoes off as meaning that we intend to stay a while.

I live in a humid place and my soles still get quite dirty (not that this stops me), so I don't think that is it. Also, I think most "don't wear shoes indoors" people still don't walk barefoot, be wear socks or some sort of sandal.

Which make me wonder, what exactly count as "shoes" when people say they don't weak shoes indoors? Here in Brazil we would consider "wearing shoes indoors" to be the norm, I think. But, even then, I don't think most people actually wear shoes in their own homes, but rather beach sandals. Like, do US people actually really wear regular shoes in their own homes? Or they replace them for something more comfortable?

Like, we still will wear shoes in other indoors places, including other people's homes (unless we are close to them), so there is still this value dissonance there, but I do wonder how much of this is a misunderstanding.

Edited by Heatth on Oct 24th 2020 at 7:18:09 AM

Wearing shoes in homes in the US is a 50-50 thing. My family really discouraged wearing shoes in the house.

I wear shoes indoors some of the time, but usually I either wear socks or go barefoot depending on the temperature. It’s more comfortable.

My family’s pretty much the same. We’re not picky about people wearing shoes indoors as long as they’re not muddy or something, but no one really does it for long periods of time.

I know some families who insist you leave shoes at the door, and others who don’t care either way. Basically it’s what said.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Oct 24th 2020 at 4:24:48 AM

I thought it meant "we don't wear the same shoes we were wearing outdoors". In my country, we don't, but we usually just change into slippers or something because the floors are quite cold more often than not.

Yeah, Asians living in colder areas tend to wear slippers.