Hate Sink cleanup

I don't think Saturn's a Hate Sink as he, while incredibly vile, has too many Evil Is Cool factors for him to count as of this moment. If Saturn ever loses these Evil Is Cool factors in the future, then I'd support adding him, but for now he's a no go.

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I'm gonna go ahead and cut it. I do think his contrast with the other Celestial Dragons is significant.

Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Apr 9th 2024 at 11:14:22 AM

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Saturn does not sound like a Hate Sink as well. Does bad things? Yes. But he does not go to the point of being disgusting and does have his moments.

I really hate bringing Velma up again, but Kingslayer38 (the same person who previously re-added The Scrappy entry to the show's YMMV page) strikes again with this example from the show's character page:

• Hate Sink: This version of Velma is the most hated out of the characters for being such a massive Jerkass Hypocrite of a racist. This cumulates in the season 1 finale when she twerks over the corpse of Fred's mother (the said serial killer) right in front of him and locks her father, his girlfriend, and her half-sister (who is only a baby) out of the house.

Given that the general criticism of the title character is that she's an Unintentionally Unsympathetic Designated Hero, it's very obvious that the narrative never intended Velma to be the bad guy, let alone a Villain Protagonist. If anything, this feels like a "cleverly" disguised Scrappy entry.

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Yeah, she's not meant to be hated (if she was then it would a completely baffling artistic choice, making the protag intentionally awful and not in the fun way).

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 10th 2024 at 10:27:14 AM

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I thought Velma was already The Scrappy in YMMV. She doesn't need another entry shoehorned for complaining.

Velma can't be The Scrappy since the people who hate her also hate the show itself. But she's a bunch of other things anyway.

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I did not know Velma was in the HS category. I'm going to be real when I say I do not believe there is enough information for her to be considered a HS unless some article prove otherwise that it was the intention to make her hated.

Alright so, this character is one I have been skeptical on whether he truly fits the trope and I've decided to bring him up here.

• The Brother in the fourth game, is a nasty teen who bullies his younger brother to the point of tears. This includes scaring him with a mask, locking him in a room, leaving him behind at the restaurant — a place he knows his brother is terrified of — and locking him in the parts and storage room. To top it all off, he and his friends get his brother's head bitten by Fredbear as a prank on his birthday, which put him in a coma and has killed him]]. The robots in that game are just nightmares, so as a result, he is basically the only thing to hate in the game. At the very least he has the decency to apologize to his brother. The implication that he's Michael Afton does shed a slightly better light at him, however.

Now, don't get me wrong, the Big Brother In Fnaf 4, for the majority of his screen time, is a pretty dislikable bastard, but the last parts of this writeup pretty much summ up my problems with him qualifying. For starters he is shown apologizing to the Crying Child at the end of Night 6, which is already kind of weird for a character who was supposedly made to be despised, but then there's the bigger problem, the implications that he is Michael Afton. Honestly? I can hardly call these implications anymore. From the Fazbear Frights novel series havig the bully older brother character chewing gum (something that Michael does) to the fact that within the games, there is just so much evidence that Michael and the Older Brother are one in the same, I am just not sure whether I can comfortably call this guy a Hate Sink when he is strongly implied to be a redeemed villain, if not an outright hero. But even if we don't take this as fact, that still raises the issue of him apologizing to his brother for accidentally getting him killed, and even then, the fact that there is even speculation that he is Michael at all makes his role in the story a bit too ambiguous for me to say that this guy was 100% made to be hated. For said reasons I feel that he should be cut from the trope, but I am willing to hear other people out.

Edited by Splonk on Apr 11th 2024 at 7:12:37 AM

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I agree the Big Brother Bully isn’t a Hate Sink; regardless of the theories (these kind of forums aren’t the place to discuss them) the fact the game ends with him showing genuine remorse for his brother and ends the game on a questionable note.

Sure, an HS can have redeeming qualities, but they can’t be highlighted in a way the Brother’s are. With everything we know for sure, the Brother isn’t meant to be a genuine Kids Are Cruel character — just a young punk who did something stupid and had a wake up call when he put his brother in the hospital. This to me doesn’t read as a “Assholish Character We’re Supposed To Hate”.

Edited by Beast on Apr 11th 2024 at 6:55:09 AM

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Yeah, the Brother is certainly a jerk (whether or not he's Michael Afton), but Hate Sink seems a bit much. He was a dumb teenager and the game did make it clear that he was never intending for Crying Child to get hurt.

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Found this on the flooded for Lord Dominator from Wander over Yonder:

“Hate Sink: With little or no redeeming qualities, she ends up being a Sore Loser and leaves the galaxy.”

From what I remember of the show (it’s been years since I’ve seen it), she’s far too Laughably Evil to count. I know that doesn’t always disqualify someone from being a Hate Sink, but Lord Dominator acts like a Genki Girl teenager, with the catch being that said villain is an Omnicidal Maniac. I can’t really say she’s meant to be hated with that in mind.

What, like it's hard?

Cut it, Dominator is way to fun to be this.

Cut Dominator. She is quite likable and Laughably Evil to count.

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Cut Dominator. She for sure does not qualify or have the quality as a HS

Is anyone gonna delete the Velma example? Or do I have to do it myself. Sincerely, I've never once touched any of the Velma pages in a while.

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HateSink.Animated Films lists three characters I don't think are Hate Sinks:

• The Joker from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker: While he's DCAU Joker at his most despicable, he still the same Evil Is Cool and Laughably Evil clown from his prior appearances.
• Hans from Frozen: If only counting the movies, then I'd say he counts, but he's painted as a Tragic Villain and is given a genuine Freudian Excuse in A Frozen Heart.
• DOR-15 from Meet the Robinsons: She doesn't have a particularly hatable personality and is too Evil Is Cool in my eyes with her being a more competent villain than Bowler Hat Guy. Entry might also be CM-lite.

I know that at least DOR-15 and The Joker were discussed prior and deemed cuts, but were not removed, so can I remove them and Hans?

Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 16th 2024 at 7:55:46 PM

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I would say remove all of them to be honest. I would be lying when I say that I do not believe these three are considered to be HS even now.

I agree with removing Joker, DOR-15, The Big Brother (fnaf 4), and Lord Dominator but am not sure about Hans (Frozen). He plays this trope pretty straight in the film itself. Also his loathsomeness has been referenced both in and outside of Disney works.

Also I'd remove Chi-Fu (Mulan) as well. My issue is that he and his loathsome traits are largely Played for Laughs. He's a massive Butt-Monkey so I always assume we're supposed to laugh at his (mostly self inflicted) misfortune rather than outright hate him.

Edited by Idisagree on Apr 17th 2024 at 2:39:06 AM

I agree with removing Joker and DOR-15 for the reasons in , and Chi-Fu for the reasons in . I disagree with removing Hans, mostly for the same reasons as . He's set up as a particularly loathsome backstabber in the original work. The fact that he's retconned into a somewhat more sympathetic figure in a later work doesn't change the way he's portrayed in the original.

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Found this on X men animated series character pages under Mr. Sinister.

• Hate Sink: In X-Men '97. In contrast to his original incarnation, who was still a villain but had a few redeeming qualities, this new version is both terrifying and made to be as despised as possible. That he was responsible for the genocide on Genosha that claimed the lives of countless mutants, including Magneto and Gambit, only cements this.

He is loathsome for sure, but pretty much all reactions on Sinister I have seen gush about how cool and scary ‘97 made him. So gonna say he dosen’t fit.

Yeah agree with cutting this example. Nasty for sure but that is my vibe for the only reason why this example was added for him. Other than that I could not think of any quality that would make him a HS.

Yeah cut sinister's entry

Dragon Ball GT Villains for Baby

• Hate Sink: Conniving, cowardly, smug, and cruel, the only redeemable thing about Baby is his attempts to avenge his home — and even that falls flat when he slaughters his own subjects to test his strength. This makes it easier to swallow when Goku kills him as he runs for his life.

I don't think Baby is an example. He gets cool various forms. He's really intelligent and emphasized as such. And as stated hes often the only GT vilain to get into expanded stuff due to popularity.

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Does anyone have something to say about this entry?

Baby definitely doesn't count