Base Breaking Character Cleanup

In case as the one who researched the fandom to come to this conclusion I would say yes, he counts

Are you sure tho? How often do people fight over this character? Needs to be an equal sized amount of vocal fans and detractors on each side with very little to no middle ground.

Edited by Superdude96 on Apr 27th 2024 at 9:24:25 AM

I think so indeed. There’s little middle ground and a third party that feels he’s underused is the biggest one

So I was on the Beware the Batman ymmv page and I found this:

Base-Breaking Character:

• The show's version of Alfred. Some people like the different interpretation of his character, while others think that he's too different to even be considered Alfred. Others just think he looks weird.
• Despite his Ensemble Dark Horse status, opinions on Pyg's portrayal are still pretty split. Some fans find the comics version abhorrent, and this version much more charming, while others feel that the Lighter and Softer portrayal "ruined" him, and that they shouldn't have taken away his Body Horror-inducing surgeries that he's known for in the comics.
• Anarky’s portrayal in the series was fairly contentious. Fans of his morally grey, well-intentioned comic book counterpart tend to hate the Anarky portrayed in this series for being turned into a clear villain. However, the show’s version of Anarky has a decent number of defenders who will say that as long as you treat comic Anarky and show Anarky as two different characters, show Anarky is a compelling villain. At the very least, everyone can agree that this version of Anarky at least isn’t as bad as the version from Arrow.

As a huge film of Batman, this show isn’t really my favorite but I want to know if these entries are vaild or not. They feel somewhat complainy but I’m not too certain.

Edited by Superdude96 on Apr 28th 2024 at 9:37:32 AM

Anarky and Alfred are fine in my experience, but I have not heard any debates about that Professor Pig.

From YMMV.Cinema Sins

• Jeremy himself is an interesting example as while most people don't mind him as a narrator, his attitudes in his Dear Hollywood videos regarding the movie industry are either endorsed by fans or lambasted due to his extremely abrasive and judgmental attitude, with the Disney video being blatant in this regard, and found borderline hypocritical in regards of his hate for remakes/sequels/reboots, noting that Jeremy has branched CinemaSins into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and Brand Sins. His reactions during the "Review Crew" scandal haven't helped his case either due to actions being seen as petty by some.

Does this count as real person troping, since he doesn't really have a persona outside of blunt and cynical?

Edited by costanton11 on May 3rd 2024 at 11:28:11 AM

yeah, he's just a dude

Yeah, given how it talks about real-life controversies Jeremy's been involved in (such as "Review Crew"), and unlike any other angry reviewer there is no persona to hide behind. There probably was a character during the early days of CinemaSins of a stereotypical Caustic Critic, but that is long gone. Definitely worth cutting.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on May 3rd 2024 at 10:34:56 AM

Yeah cut him.

I say cut him for the example if that’s the case

Paging the thread for three examples from the Genshin Impact page that went up fairly recently:

• Arataki Itto has become this in spite of being initially well received, due to receiving much more focus than some other playable characters. Appearances for other playable characters outside those from the latest region are more sporadic, with many going months or almost a year without even a minor cameo; by contrast, as of v4.5, Itto has appeared in over half the updates since he debuted, making him the most recurring Inazuman character despite being far from the most important. Combined with him being deliberately obnoxious, his presence over other popular characters (especially from Inazuma) has become a bit overbearing for some.
• Nilou was immediately met with ridicule upon release. There are those who like her for her cute design, her being a Nice Girl, and the fact that her dance is based off of a traditional Persian dance. However, there are also those who don’t like her, seeing her as nothing but fanservice, and find her backstory to be the least interesting of them all, due to the fact that she’s one of the few characters who doesn’t have a tragic backstory or other notable traits beyond merely being a Nice Girl who loves to dance^note She's notably the only 5★ character (many of whom otherwise have complex, in-depth characterization) with this distinction, as the other 5★ characters that don't have tragic backstories, such as Hu Tao and Yoimiya, display Hidden Depths or other traits beyond their respective eccentric and cheerful personality. The fact that Nilou consistently demonstrates a great depth of emotional intelligence in a culture that encourages rationality without compassion or empathy, and is courageous in upholding steadfastly to her ideals in the face of authority is severely underappreciated.. Her defenders point out that Nilou represents how people whose passion for art is often overlooked by those who think that art is irrelevant, while her detractors have said that she could have been replaced with a random NPC, and nothing would have changed.
• Navia was hyped up on release, but ended up being initially somewhat mixed within the fandom due to the way the Archon Quest manages her role, with Act II focusing on her and the disappearance of her father. While a great portion of the fandom still adores her for her kindness, prominent Character Development and her excellent voice acting in all languages, some others felt Act II to be too focused on her to the point of being drawn-out, even drawing comparisons to a built-in Story Quest within the Archon Quest, to say nothing of her prominence in Act V and her actual Story Quest.

All the other entries on the page seem fine: however, these three are eyebrow-raising at best. I've seen plenty of jokes about how Itto keeps appearing in events, yes, but little outright hatred: certainly not enough to put him in base-breaking territory. And the last two, to be frank, reek of being written by someone who doesn't like Nilou and Navia in particular and is projecting that dislike onto the entire fanbase. At worst, I have seen these characters be called "boring" by a select few. Otherwise, they're almost universally well-liked, and certainly don't inspire the same vitriolic arguments that Paimon, Ei, Scaramouche/Wanderer, etc. do.

Itto's situation is more Spotlight-Stealing Squad. The others don't count. I don't see people hating on Navia. There were people who thought Nilou's first banner was poorly-timed because at that point Nilou was barely in the story, but people didn't hate her so much as the banner timing.

Edited by PhiSat on May 6th 2024 at 3:50:57 AM

I found this on YMMV.Delicious In Dungeon, which I'm unsure of (as well as having possible indentation issues).

• Base-Breaking Character: There's a plethora of reasons that make Shuro divisive among the fandom.
  • On the negative side:
    1. He never had the guts to express his love to Falin, or to tell Laios he was frustrated by his behaviour, which some fans consider him a coward for.
    2. Threatened to report Marcille to the elves after finding out that she had used Black Magic to ressurect Falin, despite admitting he would've done the same.
    3. Many who interpret Laios as autistic felt like his secret dislike of Laios hit close to home, and view him as a Fairweather Friend.
    4. He also accused of being a hypocrite for disliking Laios while being in love with Falin, as she shares some traits with him.
  • On the positive side, people counter a lot of those criticisms with:
    1. Shuro was raised in an environment where directly voicing negative feelings towards someone is considered rude in the best of cases, and that it could be racist for fans to ignore the impact being raised in such a culture has in his behavior. There's also the idea that Shuro has social anxiety and struggles to set boundaries or tell people "no".
    2. His reasons for being angered when he found out how Falin was resurrected are completely valid, since Black Magic is a serious offense that results in permanent imprisonment.
    3. A lot of Laios' interactions with Shuro mirror how east asians are often the target of microaggressions in real life, so even if Laios isn't doing it on purpose, he's also not an exemple of good communication. A special mention goes to him being responsible for Shuro being Only Known by Their Nickname because Laios couldn't pronounce his actual name, Toshiro.
    4. His differences in opinions of the Toudens could be explained by the fact that, not only is he heterosexual, but Laios has been far more insensitive to him in the past than Falin has.

Bumping

That seems very divisive for this character. I am not going to lie when I say that if he keeps then I would rather have it shortened despite being very long entry. As for the other side well if there is just too many hate for him than actually liking him well it’s all on you. I’ll leave you be.

Then how would it be shortened?