Teen Titans

This thread discusses all eras of the Teen Titans. And yes, this includes the teams just called the Titans.

Marv Wolfman actually worked on Teen Titans during the original run. Aside from issue 18, which was a one off he wrote with future New Teen Titans editor Len Wein, he wrote Wonder Girl's origin in a back up story of issue 22. I find it interesting that Wolfman got to later expand upon it during the New Teen Titans era (you know, before Crisis on Infinite Earths made it complicated).

That being said, I think when Wolfman wrote the story in 1969, he was implying that Donna's family died in that apartment fire. The teen pregnancy and child selling racketeers must have been thought up later because any comic book writer would know there was no way you could gotten away with talking about such heavy subject matter in the 60s.

You're probably right, but really it didn't need much expansion. If he'd chosen to leave it that her family was killed in the apartment fire, that would have been entirely fine. He got a great story out of expanding it, as "Who is Donna Troy" is one of the highlights of his run on ''The New Teen Titans," Still, they rarely revisited Donna's adopted family (the family of the woman who had adopted her, and then had to put her back up for adoption when her first husband died, who then welcomed her into their family when Dick Grayson tracked them down); they only showed up again for her wedding and in the early part of the story where she became Troia.

Wolfman's Titans has loads of unused, or barely used, ideas that are introduced and then never referred to again. The Children of the Sun, for instance.

I wonder what George Perez contributed. After all, he was listed as a "co-creator" of the comics with Wolfman, which implies he did more than draw the book.

He helped create Starfire, Raven and Cyborg. Also, he was Wolfman's co-plotter. Wolfman liked having a close working relationship with the artists he worked with, if at all possible (it's how he worked with Gene Colon on Tomb of Dracula, which is widely considered to be one of the best comics series of the 70's). He and Perez would get together and co-plot the stories, and then Wolfman would prepare the script, which would then be given to Perez to draw.

Le bump.

Today I was out with my friends and we ended up in a book shop. On a whim I went to buy some comic omnibuses... but they didn't have 52 Volume 1. So I bought the first two Volumes of Wolfman and Pérez's run of The New Teen Titans. I've heard very good things about this run thanks to Linkara's March of the Titans retrospective he did some years ago, so I'm looking forward to reading it.

Yeah it is a pretty good run. Up until the whole Wildebeast Society story; that was the point were the run starts to dip in quality for me.

So what exactly is Raven's powerset? I know it's different from the show, but so far her only abilities seem to be astral projection and what I like to call "explosively dramatic teleportation."

edited 5th Sep '17 10:22:51 AM by Karxrida

Initially she could only teleport, heal people's injuries and sense other people's emotions. The cartoon made her a telekinetic and sorceress.

Preview for Teen Titans Future State.

Unfortunately, it appears Donna Troy and Wally West, along with a bunch of other Titans, are dead.

So, the usual, then.

"Mountains of broken bodies beneath the wheel" seems a fair statement of the Titans' history

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Dec 6th 2020 at 9:22:17 PM

Pretty much. Though still kind of piss me off as I like Wally and Donna

What was the first titan to die? From memory i would say it was actually changeling unless you don't count him as he managed to spring back to life with the amazons' purple beam rather than some actual ressurection method, but i could be forgetting someone from the 60's teen titans run.

I think it was Kole.

Kole died during coie, after terra had died. I'm talking before terra.

I think it might be G’narrk that was the first Titan to die due to his neaderthal biology not being able to survive the modern world or something.

That sounds dumb

It was the Silver Age, there was a lot of that going about . . . no wait it happen in the second run of Teen Titans, so Bronze Age. It was the Bronze Age, there was a lot of that going about with funk.

Marv Wolfman has gone on record as saying he essentially created Kole to be killed. When they were planning Crisis on Infinite Earths, the editors and creative teams of each book were asked to submit characters to potentially be killed. Marv didn't want any of the Titans to be killed, so he created Kole just so he could kill her in Crisis.

A few years later, in the Invasion crossover event, there was a single panel of a crystalline structure spontaneously forming in New York when the Dominators detonated their gene bomb. One imagines someone had the idea to bring Kole back, nobody ever took the bait.

What's more, the bodies of the Earth-2 Robin and the Huntress, who were suspected of having died fighting alongside Kole, were "never found," which makes me think they had some idea of bringing them back, too. Wolfman has said as well that he included an out somewhere in Crisis by which Barry Allen could be brought back, but that no one has ever found it. It's a moot point, now that Barry's back (in a way that didn't utilize Wolfman's secret) but Wolfman still has never revealed what it was.

Edited by Robbery on Mar 7th 2021 at 12:39:27 PM

Has he?

I could almost swear Wolfman explained that if they wanted Barry back 'IE Wally didn't work out' that Barry being all over the place in the timeline from his last run, you could theoretically STOP Barry and Barry would in that moment be plopped back into the main timeline its just he had to be aware that if he ever went "Too Fast" he'd have to finish his run.

Its like Hawkman reincarnations now , Order doesn't matter we know it has to happen. essentially Effect before Cause

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Gnarrk has been the Titan that had his history erased the most... and well looks at Roy's funeral 'Where Gnarrk is both Dead and Alive!"

I don't think anybody has any real idea what to do with the modern Caveman.

Don's Death was basically Wolfman not liking the character, You'll notice in the retellings Don dies a bit more heroically each time.

Don saves Kid, gets bushwhacked by Shadow ghost to be completely vaporize

Don realising he is losing his powers, chunks kid to safety as the building crushes him

While Rebirth hasn't shown his new death the implication is he dies sacrificing himself for the Rebirth titans to screw up Twister's plan