Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony (spoilers)

In general yeah. Aside from the first and last twists the characters, individual plot lines, mysteries, music, gameplay, and Omake Mode have all been getting praise. I have yet to see a genuine criticism that didn't stem from the Kaede twist or the reality show twist.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:09:16 PM by LordVatek

Ugh, it's just killing me to not be able to experience the game myself. I can at least be consoled by the fact that it'll come out this year, but a definitive date would be nice.

There's a line between beign a Trolling Creator and being outright cruel, and that's dangerously close to the line IMO. I still like The Chapter 6 twist though.

I won't be defending the way Kaede was handled though.

But otherwise, everything said.

Hell, I haven't seen much in terms of actual mystery details but plotwise I find DR 3-5 to be nothing short of fantastic, even more so than DR 2-5.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:16:00 PM by LinkToTheFuture

I'm probably going to regret saying this, but...

Isn't there a case 6? Or is that some sorta epilogue/golden ending/misinformation? Or is it just an anti-climax compared to the apparent greatness of 5?

Does Rantaro Amai really just die in the first chapter? Seriously does the one with the mystery Talent just gets offed within the beginning of the game?

Like, case 6 is the same as the previous ones in the series: find out the truth behind the situation, and try to identify the true mastermind and free the survivors. Case 5 is another murder mystery, and it's my personal pick for favorite mystery in the series, not for the "whodunit" (there's a pretty short list of suspects) and I can't say enough about the "howdunit" because I can't actually read Japanese but the story running through it all is just great.

Yeah he does. He goes out in a good way though. His talent is Ultimate Survivor and he survived a previous season of the show and he knew that Shirogane was the Mastermind. He teams up with Kaede and they come up with a plan to kill her that eventually backfires and offs him instead, causing Shirogane to rig the rules and get Kaede convicted as the culprit.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:22:45 PM by LordVatek

I thought they didn't actually plan together, and Kaede meant to kill the mastermind, but failed. Rantarou, however, initially survived the trap, but was subsequently killed by Shirogane, who framed Kaede, forming a perfect ratings stunt one-two punch.

Was that it? I think I'm getting my spoilers mixed up here. Either way, the point stands.

Wait how does his plan backfiring & getting Kaede inadvertently killed means going out in a good way? Still I can't believe he dies so early. I was looking forward to that mofo, thought he was gonna be a badass epic wildcard like how Nagito was. Well I guess from the sounds of it, he was but he just didn't last as long.

About the reality show, now that I think about it, I don't mind the concept but its just the execution I find lacking. The fact its apparently officially sponsored by the public as regular broadcasted television as well as being popular & that talents & backstories of the cast being fake is what kills it for me. I mean its been mentioned before but if the whole society is like Junko even a little then by God what is the point of living anymore?

edited 15th Jan '17 3:34:44 PM by slimcoder

Yeah,either way Rantarou's death is what brings the Mastermind down in the end, as it's that plus Kaede's execution on false charges that Shuichi uses to convict Shirogane. Also interesting in that he's the only one of the students not counting the Mastermind with a legit Ultimate talent (Survivor).

Also he knew about the Mastermind before the game started and his death forced Mastermind to break the traditional rules of the class trial, something that only Kyoko ever managed.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:38:03 PM by LordVatek

The one thing I do find very disconcerting is the apparent dislike the Japanese fandom has for the game And in particular Trial 6 which bothers me because they're the ones who can actually understand all that's going on. I see that as a bad sign.

Then again, this could turn into a case of Germans Love David Hasselhoff but in America. Or would it be an inverse of Americans Hate Tingle?

edited 15th Jan '17 3:43:26 PM by TruthHurts22

Yeah that is something to very much worry about. If the Japanese fucking hate it then Jesus it must be bad. I mean usually its the West complaining but if the natives think its bad & are pissed off then the problems must be legitimate.

I mean there's a chance the west might like this but eh. I mean I live in America & I very much don't like what I'm hearing.

I am looking forward to learning about Rantaro during school-mode at the very least. He really is a cool guy.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:45:23 PM by slimcoder

Given how most of the criticisms are centered around the two twists I mentioned, I'd say there's nothing to be worried about (especially since Vocal Minorities are universal). I don't think the series will just be up and cancelled over this. That would be an overreaction. It's not even like the game has been getting bad critical reviews or poor sales.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:47:45 PM by LordVatek

That's true, that's a good point to make but never underestimate the backlash a bad ending can cause.

Look at Mass Effect 3 cause honestly its a damn good game. A great story, great characters, great gameplay & it got good reviews when it came out but the second the ending hit & we got one of the greatest gaming controversy/shit-storm ever. That permanently damaged Bioware & Mass Effect's brand & to this they day they still haven't fully recovered.

I mean gamers area fickle & whiny bunch after all.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:55:09 PM by slimcoder

So, spoiler free, is everyone upset about these twists because they're more Shyamalan-esque (as in terrible twists and/or an Asspull) or because it's a really good twist with horrible effect on the game or series as a whole?

A bit of column A, a bit of column B, depending on who you ask.

However, I personally think it's pretty cool in both regards so...

I mean the ending twist, not the first one, which is kind of lame, even if it adds to the last trial somewhat.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:57:07 PM by LinkToTheFuture

I'd say criticisms of the ending twist are similar to criticisms of the Genocide ending in Undertale.

The first twist is something that I agree with most in saying that it stinks but in a "I hope they fix this in the next game" kind of way.

edited 15th Jan '17 4:00:30 PM by LordVatek

Huh which do you think is cool & which do you think is lame?

I mean which is the first & ending twists specifically?

I actually just got Undertale, what happens in the Genocide route?

So Kaede's death then?

edited 15th Jan '17 4:03:39 PM by slimcoder

I think the ending is cool but the Chapter 1 twist is lame. Just because it's meant to be a lame attention-grabbing shock-value twist in-universe too does not excuse it from being, in fact, a lame attention-grabbing shock-value twist.

Well I would suggest playing through the game and discovering for yourself to get the max effect but if you don't intend on doing the Genocide run: the game calls you out several over killing the monsters and punishes you with an intensely difficult boss fight and altering your save data so that even on repeat runs, the happy ending is made permanently bad. It's similar in that people don't really like getting called out on stuff they have been used to.

edited 15th Jan '17 4:05:39 PM by LordVatek

What the fuck, really?! Oh my God.

Thanks for telling me bro, now I know never to kill everything.

Don't stress over that part. You have to really go out of your way to get that ending to the point where getting the ending itself is a punishment.