Netflix Daredevil

Yes, that was definitely something that the Netflix Kingpin portrayal was exceptionally good at showing - that a 6 and a half foot human wrecking ball with severe anger issues was somehow EVEN MORE dangerous mentally and in terms of influence than when crushing heads with car doors.

The more current MCU take has seemingly made him even more physically strong and tough but hasn't shown The Chessmaster elements nearly as well. He got outplayed annoyingly easily.

Edit: Kingpin - Netflix vs MCU Pagetopper.

Edited by jakobitis on Jan 21st 2022 at 4:06:25 AM

Plus, that stupid outfit

And yes, I know that it is from the comics, but that alone is no quality stamp.

It's very hard to see Eleanor Bishop pulling the same stunt on Netflix Kingpin and getting out alive - even with Clint and Kate running interferance.

If this was the Netflix Kingpin, her getting taken by police officers would only be the very start of her problems (and who knows, maybe it will be.)

"And in a reveal they teased for five weeks straight, Vincent D'Onofrio returns as The Kingpin, who appears to have spent his time off-camera becoming a Hawaiian pimp."

She probably wouldn't last 24 hours after doing that to Netflix Fisk.

Edited by dmcreif on Jan 21st 2022 at 7:30:09 AM

I love that outfit

I will absolutely stand by that ouftit and the diamond-topped cane. It's what I'm here for.

I love the Hawaiian-print outfit and cane. I have no gripes with those.

I don't love how dumb Hawkeye Kingpin comes across as, personally sticking his neck out just to get at Eleanor. With how crowded that final episode was to begin with, I'd have preferred Kingpin remain an Unfought Bigger Bad and the final confrontations purely involve Echo, Yelena, and the Tracksuits.

I can buy his resources and criminal empire being significantly downsized following his defeat in Daredevil Season 3 and him being stuck with a bunch of tracksuited idiots as his muscle, but Kingpin personally going out and getting into fights when he doesn't have to is silly.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 21st 2022 at 3:29:05 PM

My take was that he lost most of his power and influence during the Blip, which is why he's stuck with the tracksuits and working out of that crappy office.

One wonders what became of his wife.

D'onofrio does want to get Ayelet Zurer back for the role, at least.

Incidentally, the cufflinks Kingpin wears in Hawkeye are his father's cufflinks that he wore for most of Daredevil's first season, rather than the ones he "upgraded" to after opening up to Vanessa. It seems like a deliberate detail so I'm curious what it means for the character.

Still in jail, probably.

She never went to jail. Matt and Fisk made a deal, that she would stay out of jail as long as he stays in it.

In the comics, a similar deal happens and it ends when Vanessa dies of cancer, cascading into the fantastically-titled arc Return of the King◊.

It's possible a similar ordeal happened in this continuity (like she got into a coma if you want to keep her alive).

It would definitely be interesting to see how Matt reacts, given that Fisk is now obviously out of jail and has thus broken their agreement. He promised to come after his wife in that case.

I just really hope we can get beyond Broad Strokes at some point.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 21st 2022 at 12:11:36 PM

Yeah I still prefer his Netflix characterization where he largely has others do his dirty work, and you can count on one hand the number of times he personally kills someone (his father, Anatoly Ranskahov, Ben Urich, Leland Owlsley, Agent Weller, and almost Karen Page) instead of having someone else do it for him. I think that Hawkeye deleted scene of Eleanor's first meeting with him in 2012 (right after the Incident, but long before the Union Allied mess) was the only point that he felt exactly like his Netflix character.

Forgot about that, but assuming Fisk got Blipped and she wasn't, perhaps she was incarcerated during the interim?

Edited by Chaosjunction on Jan 21st 2022 at 6:15:00 AM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-disney-series-in-the-works-at-marvel-1235150713/

Woopdidoo, I'm hyped!

New Disney+ Daredevil series... probably won't be as gritty as the Netflix one, but eh, good news.

I get why this is coming back, but out of the four Netflix series I would have preferred them in order of Iron Fist > Luke Cage > Jessica Jones > Daredevil to get another season.

It felt like both this and Jessica Jones were fairly complete, although with JJ having more interesting potential for another season.

I'd swap DD and JJ in that order, since DD had an open plot thread with Bullseye. JJ didn't have any open Plot Threads, AFAIR.

Otherwise I agree.

Edited by Forenperser on May 19th 2022 at 2:02:50 PM

So far the MCU has walked the tightrope in regards to the Marvel TV shows. Doing things that don't directly contradict them but at the same time not outright acknowledging them either. I wonder what approach this show will take.

Daredevil: Born Again coming to Disney+ Spring 2024

Oh my god it's happening it's happening it's happening. EVERYONE STAY CALM.

For real, though, I am mad excited to see what Disney has in store for the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. The fact that they're breaking tradition with the 6-episode format is exciting. Almost every single MCU show could have done well with more episodes (F&WS and Moon Knight come to mind especially), so the fact that we're getting 18 episodes has me intrigued, and hoping that this doesn't end up a bloated, slow mess that Obi-Wan unfortunately felt like.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:36:33 AM

Just please get the old crew back together! I want my Foggy, I want my Karen!

Dmcrief will be pleased

I also want to know what happened with Karen after Punisher Season 2