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#78776: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:24:47 AM

AFO: “True power comes from tragedy!”

Sero: “That’s fucking dumb”

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#78777: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:25:18 AM

I absolutely loved that bit.

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#78779: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:34:14 AM

Only embers of One for All remain now, looks like the series will end with Deku becoming quirkless again.
TBH that would suck.

Other than that yeah, this is a cool chapter.

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#78780: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:38:30 AM

[up]x4 Looks like Sero isn't a fan of Canon Events

Edited by jdeo1997 on Apr 28th 2024 at 11:59:52 AM

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LoneCourier0 (Apprentice)
#78781: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:40:22 AM

[up][up] Redhunter does insist that sacrificing one's power for the sake of saving everyone else and serving as an inspiration can make someone a far stronger hero than just mere muscle.

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#78782: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:41:32 AM

Funnily enough, while his flair for convoluted plots-within-plots has been frequently compared to the first Reverse Flash, Eobard Thawne, his belief that Misery Builds Character is very close to the ideology of the second one, Hunter Zolomon, whose shtick is going around traumatizing people, especially superheroes, in a demented belief that doing so will make them better in the long run.

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#78783: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:50:37 AM

It was also editorial policy over at DC that superheroes had to be miserable

Dunno if that’s changed or not

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:50:54 AM

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#78784: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:04:48 AM

[up][up][up] Why are you using my words for this? surprised

Anyway, on the Sero and AFO argument, I have this feeling it's the author giving his own commentary on the canon event debate from Across the Spider-verse, doubly so since Sero is a shout out to Spider-Man.

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#78785: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:18:24 AM

[up] Just to clarify on the counterargument of Deku's possible depowering.

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#78786: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:22:14 AM

The idea that there's even a "debate" about it is funny. If it really is a "canon event" then it'll happen no matter what Spider-Man does. But the fact that Spider-Man WILL try to save someone, ever time, is what matters. Which means Miguel O'Hara is an awful Spider-Man.

Anyway, to bring it back to My Hero Academia; I think after all the sacrificies all the wielders of One For All have had to make to try to whittle down Shigaraki and All For One, all of it failing and Deku completely losing One For All at the end of it would come off as too much of a "Shaggy Dog" Story. Noble as hell, but I don't know if I see Horikoshi actually committing to it. Then again, it does go back to thesis of "You CAN be a hero [without a Quirk]" And could be bringing it back to his initial concepts of the protagonist being a hero without a Quirk throughout.

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#78787: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:53:50 AM

[up] I mean, the canon events is debated a lot because there's multiple angles to argue it from, like is Spider-Man being selfish if he chooses to save the one person he values over the trillions he is risking by destabilizing the universe if he violates that rule? There's also the fact that the story isn't even complete so we have no idea if the destabilizing happens because of violating canon events or what. There's also the fact that canon events are arbitrary since not every Spider-Man adaptation has a police officer ally who dies, like the Raimi Spider-Man. Heck, his Gwen Stacy didn't fall in love with him or die, and you'd think THAT would be a bigger canon event. But what is being approached here is the theme of "do heroes NEED tragedy or not?" And personally I think if a hero can rise from tragedy to be stronger for it, then that's just as valid as a hero who doesn't come from tragedy. Deku has no tragic backstory for a reason.

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#78789: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:01:16 AM

Deku has no issues with his dad not being home at all. It's kind of morbid thinking about it.

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#78790: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:16:50 AM

[up]

I like to think that Hisashi is just so buried in work somewhere in Europe, far away from all of this, that he has zero clue of what's going on in Japan since the story started and how he will only learn about it in the aftermath when Izuku finally calls him and tell him the story in its basic form due to it being a phone call.

And when everything is said and done, his dad will respond with the greatest shock towards that one particular detail in Izuku's story that stood out to him the most.

Hisashi Midoriya: "You have a girlfriend now?!"

Edited by Trainbarrel on Apr 28th 2024 at 7:23:49 PM

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#78791: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:22:28 AM

"You enrolled in UA?"

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#78792: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:54:57 AM

AFO cementing everything in his flashback about his beliefs and opinions can’t be trusted when he turns out to be Knives Millions level brocon.

God the Demon Lord thing was just to make it so his brother would have no choice but notice him isn’t it? And it makes him being so pissy about his brother running off with another man even more funny. Especially as he used to eat dinner with his brothers hand till All Might caused him to lose it.

Edit: Way back when when AFO talked about losing something thanks to All Might and thus why he hates him, he specifically uses kanji to refer to a physical object which generally has lead people to believe it’s Yoichis hand.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 28th 2024 at 11:00:51 AM

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#78793: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:00:50 PM

I kinda like to think that the media coverage is literally the first time that Midoriya's dad has seen him in years. Like, when he left Deku is in middle school and then he sees this.

Also, has anybody pointed out the blatant similarities to the "On your left" scene from Avengers: Endgame, or is it just so blatantly obvious that it's not worth mentioning?

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#78794: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:10:12 PM

Deku: "Nah, I'mma do my own thing.'

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#78795: Apr 28th 2024 at 9:31:18 PM

I always figured Deku would become a teacher at UA, but I think this settles it. With his quirk destroyed, it's the only hero career he can have anymore.

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#78796: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:16:20 PM

I think the series, especially with Iron All Might, has set up that Deku could legitimately become the greatest hero while remaining Quirkless. Just using his experience and fighting knowledge. He could even do the Iron All Might thing and replicate the One-For-All Quirks using equipment.

  • Stockpile: Machine muscles. Also air cannons for Air Force.

  • Danger Sense: An AI voice that warns him of danger.

  • Smokescreen: Smoke bombs.

  • Blackwhip: Grappling hooks.

  • Gearshift: A literal gearshift for making the suit move faster.

  • Fa Jin: Rockets on his limbs to make specific movements faster.

  • Float: Anti-grav, or just use the rockets.

That's how I see the series ending. Adult Narrator Deku says "And that was the story of how I became the world's greatest hero. While being Quirkless."

Man, I gave myself chills writing that. I REALLY hope that's how the series ends, if the payoff for all the extra Quirks Deku gets is just to give him ideas for an Iron Man-esque Super-Suit in the future, that would be PERFECT to me.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 28th 2024 at 10:19:57 AM

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#78797: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:35:52 PM

Though I have to point out that Deku is still a flesh and dented iron human being, so even with protection, he's still going to take some real bad hits on top of the damage his body has accumulated.

And staying in the hero business means Deku will continue to fight villains who will want a piece of him. We've seen that there are people rooting for Shigaraki, the war between good and evil will never end.

His hero career hasn't even technically begun since he's a student. Imagine what awaits him should he be a quirkless hero who has to rely on Melissa made gear.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 29th 2024 at 1:36:04 AM

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#78798: Apr 28th 2024 at 11:37:07 PM

Like you said, he's got a few years before being a professional hero. That's enough time to heal and for science to develop a bit more.

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#78799: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:53:46 AM

[up][up][up] That sounds nice, which begs the question: why is no one else doing that?

The core part of MHA's identity and worldbuilding is Quirks. The world revolves around them, Pro-Heroes are special in that they can use theirs freely, Villains are special in that they use theirs unlawfully. Quirkless people are a rapidly vanishing minority (though you'd think we would see more than a grand total of three, two of whom had Quirks most of the time we saw them anyway), and the world does not accommodate for them.

That's not good, obviously, same way the heteromorph discrimination isn't - but that also brings me to the main issue of the "you can be a hero without a Quirk" theming. It doesn't work. To get to this point in life, Izuku Midoriya had to receive a Quirk to even have a chance at his lifelong dream (when he asks All Might if he can be a hero at the start of the story, he explicitly means a "pro-Hero" and not someone else). All of the friendships he's made, the foes stopped, the people saved - all of this is dependent on him having a Quirk. He would be one of the many faceless civilians hiding in shelters and meekly encouraging the fighting hero force from the sidelines if not for that. His act against the Slime Villain is only effective because it pushes All Might into acting; in any other situation, it would just get him and Bakugo killed.

As for the technology of MHA, it plays a secondary role to the Quirks; it enhances them and it may sometimes interfere with them, but it will never be superior. Iron Might is a one-of-a-kind thing enabled solely because All Might has decades of experience fighting (unlike Izuku who's fought for a year and change), knows his enemy well to exploit his weaknesses, and has a convenient state-of-the-art workshop in his backpocket - and even then it's there only as a stalling tool.

...anyway, it would suck if after all this Deku just ended up watching others live his dream for him - so I hope OFA remains with him in some fashion.

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#78800: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:57:44 AM

[up]Right, but even so, his classmates and friend do tell him that they admire him for his kind and understanding personality. Hell, even Mineta admits that this is why he admires him, not for his powers. A hero isn't just defined by power alone, but by the hear too.


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