Scooby Doo General

Thing is, it's more "Velma and Fred use their brains and Shaggy and Scooby are the bait" which doesn't leave Daphne with much. I mean, the first movies even lampshade this.

Also, was it a trend in the 90s and 2000s? I never noticed.

Basically every show and / or movie after what's imo the series' rock bottom in What's New has had a way to get around that. Even some of the stuff beforehand: she got a lot of good play in the post-Scrappy stuff. TBH, Velma tends to be the odd one out more than Daphne these days: Be Cool had the inspired idea of making her The Heart (instead of Scooby, who usually takes that role), and the animated movies always play her up as someone's foil.

And besides that, there are other ways to deal with the franchise's pigeonholing of its characters that don't involve giving one of them a gimmick that break the general formula of the series.

It mostly happened with stories with kid heroes, in part to avoid the image of kids being in jeopardy. Though Daphne, admittedly, happened for a different reason.

The Scooby Doo movie was more of a movie about Scooby Doo than an actual Scooby Doo adaptation: a lot of the things about the characters were twists on what people tended to joke about the characters rather than what the characters actually were. Hence the jokes about Shaggy being a pothead, or Fred being a bubblehead, or Shaggy and Scooby being way more craven than usual, etc. Daphne being a martial artist was a result of them twisting the perception that she's used to be a damsel in distress.

edited 14th Apr '18 3:29:36 PM by KnownUnknown

A few times in the first couple of seasons of Scooby-Doo Daphne would be referred to as "Danger-Prone Daphne" after she had tripped a trap or something. She would do such things regularly, of course, be not really any more often than any of the others. More recent animated versions of Scooby-Doo Flanderized her a bit in regards to being danger-prone, even going so far as to show that her reletives were also danger-prone, and that her family crest even refers to this quality. Much like Mystery Inc. Flanderized Fred into a trap-obsessed Cloud Cuckoolander.

The thing to remember about the Scooby gang is that they're a group of teen-aged friends who solve mysteries, not a team of operatives put together for that purpose (at least not in most interpretations). With that in mind, it's really not odd that Daphne would be present even though in a practical sense, she doesn't bring much to the group (she is rich, though, so I expect she's the one financing all their far flung excursions).

edited 14th Apr '18 1:36:16 PM by Robbery

They're going back and finishing The Thirteen Ghosts of Scooby Doo

http://collider.com/scooby-doo-and-the-curse-of-the-13th-ghost-trailer/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social#images

The synopsis kinda gives off the impression that Scrappy and Flim-Flam are going to be Adapted Out of this. Not surprised.

Actually Flim Flam is in, but he's all grown up.

Huh, color me surprised. I'm still not expecting Scrappy to appear or be mentioned at all though, since...well, it pretty much goes without saying.

Velma spends most of the movie without her glasses, I see. And they even put Daphne back in the old outfit and hairstyle!

In general, I like the in-universe acknowledgement that Scooby, Shaggy & occasionally Daphne had adventures that didn't involve the rest of the gang. What's next, a Ghoul School throwback (fingers crossed)?

I hope they don't pull a "live action Scooby" and make Flim Flam the bad guy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 7th 2018 at 11:15:37 AM

I fell out of love with the DTV movies a while ago, and I know they're probably going to make fun of Daphne and Shaggy having adventures rather than acknowledge the fact the two had a pretty mature partnership at the time of the final couple of SD series, plus in the 13 ghosts series they were even living together. Mystery Inc are more parodies of themselves in these movies. Non-canon to me.

Edited by Zarius on Nov 7th 2018 at 11:56:27 AM

If you mean you're disappointed that they movie isn't going to ship Shaggy and Daphne together well... yeah. The franchise hasn't been interested in shipping Daphne with anyone but Fred in decades.

If Flim Flam's grown up now, they've sure been letting that last ghost run around for a while.

Also, if this is Ghost #13, that confirms the ship counted. How about that.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Nov 7th 2018 at 8:17:55 AM

Pretty much, which is a bummer. There's quite a strong Shaggy/Daphne fanbase and I think WB are aware of it, but often troll that section of the fans because, like Scrappy, they identify it as part of the era that almost killed the franchise.

Edited by Zarius on Nov 8th 2018 at 1:21:48 AM

• Looks like they might be keeping Daphne's action girl portrayal from a few other versions.

• Seems odd to include the bit about the gang having retired.

• Why do I get the feeling Flim Flam will be revealed as being evil in this?

It looks like, yet again, Daphne’s going to be the most fun part of the movie. The recent animated films are good for that.

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen them trolling the idea. They just haven’t been using it.

The 13th Ghost's head looks like the one on the Chest of Demons.

I noticed that just this morning, funnily enough.

I wonder who is voicing Vincent Von Ghoul, because that does Vincent Price so much justice. Also Flim Flam being grown up a save as well. It makes him less annoying.

Edited by firewriter on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:40:15 AM

Maurice LeMarche

Wow. Flim Flam is back but Scrappy is still persona non grata?

Hasn't it been said that the former was a bigger Scrappy than the latter?

I'm shocked. Also, does this mean that the other specials that acknowledged real ghosts are now non canon (like Zombie Island etc?)

13 Ghosts is finally being finished. It's a shock.

I don't know if we'll see Flim go evil though. Isn't it agreed upon that Scrappy being the villain of the first live action movie was massively mean spirited...or seen as utterly hilarious. I'm not really sure. It's been a while.

@Known Unknown

Props to him for his good impression, and I am happy we are finally getting a conclusion.

It would be nice if they just accepted Scrappy's existence and you know, just tried to make him entertaining. I mean it's not like Fred and Velma were that interesting before the revival projects. What they do to Scrappy isn't far off of the Poochie parody in The Simpsons.

That's pretty much my sentiment exactly. If it were up to me, I'd just embrace Scrappy and make him a more likeable, interesting and genuinely fun character rather than taking a dump on the character every chance I got.

Edited by kablammin45 on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:13:39 AM

I never really understood why Scrappy got exceptional hate. Loads of Hanna Barbara works are filled with annoying side additions. At least Scrappy for a while revived interest in the Scooby Doo franchise enough to keep it alive.

Well, let's hope Flim Flam is less of an Ethnic Scrappy than he was when he first appeared.

He did kinda become the Scape Goat for the shows bad ratings.

I do think it zenith with the first live action movie, where it kinda became an Ascended Meme.

There were those who probably found it hilarious, but there were probably some who thought maybe it was too far.

So has the opinion on Scrappy softened since then? I mean, if they're bringing back Flim Flam, then maybe they're testing the waters for a certain someone to get his time for redemption.