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TheDarkMantis Shadow Bug from Ocean of Storms Since: Nov, 2017 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
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#4051: Mar 27th 2024 at 11:17:29 AM

Re: Thailand legalizing same sex marriage

Excellent!

Edited by TheDarkMantis on Mar 27th 2024 at 6:17:53 PM

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#4052: Mar 27th 2024 at 1:22:24 PM

Nice to see some good news.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#4053: Mar 27th 2024 at 1:35:37 PM

Wait, the country famous for it's Ladyboys didn't have Same Sex Marriage legalized until now?

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#4054: Mar 27th 2024 at 2:02:09 PM

No one in that area did except Taiwan. They all have civil law systems, which means that the courts can't allow it to happen if the government won't let it.

Not Three Laws compliant.
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#4055: Mar 27th 2024 at 2:04:00 PM

That's quite common for the region, being trans is more accepted then being gay.

Generaly its seen as less disruptive to the social order since instead of fighting the gender roles your saying you belong to the other one and adapting to it.

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#4056: Mar 27th 2024 at 2:07:17 PM

[up] Huh, now that you mention it, Iran's attitude to the matter is the same.

It even forces gay people to undergo transition.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 27th 2024 at 10:07:39 AM

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#4057: Mar 27th 2024 at 2:12:15 PM

And in the Middle East, Iran's had legal recognition for trans folk and state support for medical transition since the 1980s.

It's still handled pretty badly, but it's seen as much less problematic in Iranian society than being non-straight.

Which creates a whole set of other problems, as you can imagine.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 27th 2024 at 9:12:30 AM

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#4058: Mar 28th 2024 at 12:23:37 AM

If memory serves, Bolivia enacted one of the more progressive transgender-related laws in South America, while gay rights took a bit longer and hate crimes are still a problem.

I think these examples go to show that in many places, not all types of LGBT+ are treated the same. Lots of people support one letter (at least to a point - Iran is not that transgender friendly last I checked) but not the other.

(I've cribbed the Iran example for my own storytelling - in my setting, conservatives have given their assent to let people pick their gender when they feel comfortable to do so, but the only concession to gay rights is that male homosexuality is legal and that's it.)

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#4059: May 12th 2024 at 9:11:21 AM

Switzerland's non-binary singer Nemo wins Eurovision. And then reveals that they were banned from bringing a non-binary flag into the venue. They smuggled one in anyway, but...

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#4060: May 12th 2024 at 11:26:00 PM

Swiss media meanwhile speculate that their success might advance the cause of non-binary people in Switzerland. The government turned down a request for a third gender category a few years ago, citing lack of societal support. These might change now.

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#4061: May 13th 2024 at 6:06:55 AM

… I feel like there’s a ”neutral Switzerland” joke to be made in there somewhere, but I’m not smart enough to come up with one.

So, I’ll settle with; I hope the prediction is true. If it does, then that’s wonderful news for NB- and NGC-people.

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#4062: May 13th 2024 at 7:29:47 AM

Ireland, which AFAIK doesn't yet recognise nonbinary gender identities, was also represented on the stage by the enby musician Bambie Thug.

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#4063: May 13th 2024 at 10:56:26 AM

> I feel like there’s a ”neutral Switzerland” joke to be made in there somewhere, but I’m not smart enough to come up with one.

allow me

news just in Switzerland abolishes all genders in order to remain 'politically neutral'

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#4064: May 13th 2024 at 12:11:21 PM

[up] EXQUISITE.

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#4066: May 18th 2024 at 11:53:03 PM

The Asahi Shinbun: A Japanese lesbian couple was granted refugee status in Canada.

The Canadian government determined that the couple was at risk of being persecuted in Japan due to discrimination against LGBT+ people and women.

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#4067: May 19th 2024 at 3:14:28 AM

Liechtenstein legalises same sex-marriage. The politicians voted 24-1 in favour.

The 22nd European country to do so.

Edited by Mrph1 on May 19th 2024 at 11:14:42 AM

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#4069: May 21st 2024 at 7:53:25 AM

Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door's Vivian is trans in remake.

For context, in the original Japanese version of TTYD, Vivian was trans, but was constantly misgendered by her sisters (and even Goombella and the next game Super Paper Mario), but most localizations of the game just had her as a ciswoman with her sisters just using gendered insults. The remake sticks with the original interpretation.

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#4070: May 21st 2024 at 9:08:13 AM

Oh wow, really? The English version commits this time? That’s nice!

(Unless the screenshot is edited, but I hope it isn’t)

Any word on the other localizations? Are they committing to Vivian being trans, too?

Edited by MagmaTeaMerry on May 21st 2024 at 6:10:19 PM

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#4071: May 21st 2024 at 5:39:57 PM

The usual suspects are, of course, being perfectly normal about it.

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#4072: May 22nd 2024 at 7:09:28 AM

I'm not even sure who the usual suspects are in this case. Who is going to know enough to even react to this news other than the fans who have always wanted this?

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#4073: May 22nd 2024 at 7:13:23 AM

"The usual suspects" are the crowd that also lost their marbles over Bridget turning out to be trans in Guilty Gear Strive, citing all sorts of nonsense reasons (only done for marketing, mistranslations, older bios having the previous identity, etc), to try desperately to "prove" a canonically trans character isn't trans, and only outing themselves as fools.

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#4074: May 22nd 2024 at 3:30:08 PM

Yeah, exactly.

There's a legion of "gamers" who grasp at every straw they can to deny trans representation (don't even get me started on how they react to headcanons).

They were out in force when Madeline from Celeste was more or less confirmed as trans, too. It took the creator writing an essay to shut them up.

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#4075: May 22nd 2024 at 5:28:54 PM

[up]I’m surprised that actually worked.

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