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Psh, whatever, dude. I'm still mad Moore made Radioactive Man into a heroin-addicted jazz critic who isn't radioactive.

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I still find his reaction against Before Watchmen incredulolus after he:

1. Had Dorothy Gale, Alice Liddle, & Wendy Darling f*ck for nearly an entire book while trivializing Wizard of Oz, the Alice books, and Peter Pan as half-imaginings of childhood sex experiences.

& 2. the entire League of Extraordinary Gentlemen saga, which recently had plot beats which include Harry Potter being the Antichrist and Mary Poppins as God or a God-like figure.

Hell, he tried to blast Sinestro Corps War & Blackest Night as "sad, shameless attempts to cash in on stuff he did in the 80's".

But... I digress. So... how about that Superman? Anyone think they'll introduce more DC heroes in Man of Steel 2 other than Batman?

edited 14th Oct '13 5:03:42 PM by biznizz

Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?

You do realise the idea for the two issues that became Man of Tommorrow was always to tell a "last" Superman story, before Moore was brought on board? And it was the last story for that paticular Superman?

They based years worth of storylines largely on a few of his throwaway ideas. I pretty much agree with him on that one.

edited 14th Oct '13 5:10:33 PM by C0mraid

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Yeah, from what I understand Moore lobbied to write "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow."

As to the Green Lantern stuff, how is that different from what ANY writer does who writes a story or an arc that builds on what came before? Moore himself has done that. Moore get to build off of Mort Weisinger but Geoff Johns doesn't get to build off Moore?

He wanted to write the story, but it would have been a definitive end no matter who wrote it. It was Julie Schwartz's swan song.

I like that comic book creators build off of each others ideas. But the ideas Johns utilized so much in Green Lantern were pretty minor for Moore. It kind of makes you wonder what would have happened if he hadn't written for DC.

Am I a good man or a bad man?

I've read Moore's Green Lantern short stories and very little of it has an impact on Johns.

Alan Moore's story, Tygers, has a prophecy simply goes "Sodam Yat a great green lantern falls, the green Lantern corp falls and Mogo dies fighting Ranx". That's it. He didn't invent the Black Lanterns or the entire spectrum lanterns, he didn't create Nekron or Krona. And those stories barely had an impact on Blackest Night. Sodam Yat's 'death' did jack shit in Blackest Night and Mogo didn't even die fighting Ranx in SCW.

"Mogo doesn't socialise" invents the character of Mogo and he's a recurring character in Johns' run but that doesn't mean Johns was cashing in on what he did. And "Blackest Night" (The Alan Moore story) has no relation to Johns' run.

Johns has derived most of Blackest Night from Len Wein's Tales of GLC story involving Nekron and Krona. He just threw in a reference to Moore's prophecy to make his event seem even more epic and feeling like the Green Lantern series had been building it all up to this.

edited 14th Oct '13 6:55:11 PM by ShadowScythe

Being and end doesn't mean it as to be grimdark bullshit.

Re: All Star Superman

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There is that. I read and enjoyed "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" but it seriously fails to be a celebration of the Superman that existed up to that point. It's a deconstruction. Deconstruction is mostly what Moore was doing at the time (which he later said he deeply regretted, at least insofar as what he felt was it's impact on comics writers of the early '90's). All-Star Superman is a much more enthusiastic celebration of Silver Age Superman and, again, while I enjoyed Moore's story, IMO All-Star Superman is a better one. It hits all the same notes, and remains faithful to the character and his universe.

All Star is much more than just the Silver Age; it applies to the very concept of Superman as a whole; his platonic ideal if you will.

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Repost of epic anniversary vid because completely ignored. Sorry.

I saw it. Awesome.

It just pisses me off immensely that Bruce Timm got so royally shafted when they cancelled Green Lantern for the same reasons Cartoon Network sh*tcanned Symbiotic Titan*

and replaced it and Young Justice with Beware The Batman (which is so far the weakest modern Batman show I've seen so far; even first season "The Batman" was more enjoyable) and Teen Titans Go (which even if I hadn't seen the original or known it was brought in to replace two of the best DC shows in years, I'd still hate).

And... did they move back the Man of Steel release to November, or was it always that? Because I'm getting my Pacific Rim Blu-Ray this week and both movies were in theaters at roughly the same time.

Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?

I really loved that and I really hope Bruce Timm and the crew are working on a new Superman series.

Man of Steel's DVD/BR release was always November, I don't know why Pacific Rim got an earlier release despite coming out almost a month later.

Show's dont "replace" other shows; to say that belays a massive ignorance in the nature of Television production. YJ got canned for budget issue, GL:TAS because the Movie crashed it's toyline; Beware and T Tgo were already in development and they just fit them in the newly made vacancies.

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I know why GL & YJ were actually cancelled. My point is that the shows which replaced them were subpar replacements in their slots. BTB, for example has been in development since shortly after Brave and the Bold got let go.

This is what they spent so long developing? And, to me anyway, TTG just isn't any good. At all.

Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?

I haven't watched any of Teen Titans Go so I cant speak to its quality but I can say that the original Teen Titans had a good run and the fact that the timeslot is taken up necroing an old show to take advantage of overblown fan nostalgia is disappointing. We could have gotten an Aquaman or a Wonder Woman show or something.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

I enjoy TTGO and Beware; as do others; so obviously yours is not a universal rubric of quality.

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Beware, to be fair, is more of "not as good as the other Batshows" than having any real detriments. Pyg and Toad are my fave villains in the whole thing. I do try to catch it when its on.

Go? No, sorry. I can't do it.

Lots of people like the Bayformers and Twilight. The amount of fans a product has is not a quality assurance.

Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?

I enjoy TTGO, but I wont pretend it isnt just zany comedy.

Becasue you say something isn't good doesn't make it so; if people enjoy it; t is doing it's job as a work of entertainment. By what right to you judge the makers and the people who enjoy it. Do you consider yourself superior because of what Children's Cartoons you like?

How Arrogant.

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How isthat any different to arguing over which Superman comics you like?

Am I a good man or a bad man?

It isnt; which is why I dont go around insulting people for having different tastes than me. I may get a bit sore about it; or heat up in a debate; but I'd never get all self-superior with it.

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@biznizz: it's been occurring to me for a while that I don't remember seeing nor hearing anything about Sym-Bionic Titan toys. But wouldn't it be awesome if Bandai did like a Super Robot Chogokin or a Robot Damashii toy of Sym-Bionic Titan?

edited 15th Oct '13 6:56:47 PM by TargetmasterJoe

I enjoy Teen Titans Go myself, but it's not really a super hero show. It's a clever cartoon comedy about super heroes. Kind of in the same vein as League of Super Evil, only...better.

If you go into it expecting a super hero show, you'll be disappointed.

@Hyper, where did I insult people who liked Beware & Go? I said that Beware wasn't as good as B:TB&TB, or The Batman, or especially the Timm shows (TAS, TNBA, BB). And while I cannot enjoy Go, I said word none about people who did enjoy it. You on the other hand insulted me more directly when I said I didn't like them as much as you did.

There is a product. I state my opinion on it and bemoan the fact that they are in the slots in DC Nation where shows I enjoyed much more. I get called arrogant. Good job.

@Joe, Symbiotic Titan was cancelled, unofficially, because the heads of the network did not like Genndy or the fact that ST was doing better than their CN Real shows (and he thought live action on Cartoon Network was stupid, like Craig Mc Craken). The "official" explanation is that the show didn't have toys or that boys wouldn't want to buy a line where they had to get a "girl robot" or some such nonsense. Also, I thought Bandai went out of business.

I got that it's not a superhero show, and it's a comedy starring superheroes. I just don't think it's funny.

edited 15th Oct '13 7:28:57 PM by biznizz

Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?

Oh, I'm not arguing with you. You're perfectly entitled to not find it funny. While I enjoy it, I'm a little disheartened that there aren't more DC-based action shows on CW anymore.

Anyone know if the DC Nation shorts will ever get a DVD collection?