Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

At this point it was either going to be canon but not acknowledged or non-canon with the possibility of some of the characters getting reintroduced as new.

Though the whole "canon in the multiverse" thing always bothered me. If the multiverse is infinite possibilities, then literally everything is canon. It just matters if it shows up or not.

Well, we all knew that by know, including the Show Runners.

I'm not shocked. People point to season 6 and 7 as why it isn't. But the truth is the show has always had weird oddities that make it impossible to link to the sacred timeline (also so now it's an official name too. Cool).

The fact shield is clearly actually dead post winter soldier and stays that way and replaced by damage control.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 27th 2023 at 6:50:58 AM

It's unsurprising. It's still shitty for the creators and fans of the show though.

And basically it's because of the bad blood between the studios and television department and Fiege and Perlmutter. I mean Perlmutter was shit no denying it but it's still hard shrift for the mostly okay show.

Still even with Inhumans Mount got another chance so never say never. Maybe they'll bring back May or Quake long enough to fridge them or something.

I wonder if Agent Carter is canon to the main timeline though.

I think it is canon, given that James D'Arcy as Jarvis made a cameo in Endgame. Or at least it's in the realm of "doesn't contradict anything else so it might as well be canon."

I have to be honest though, Agents of SHIELD only really got good after it stopped trying to keep up with the MCU and started doing its own thing. The pacing of the first season is absolutely atrocious and the second season has random distracting digressions at least twice to try and match the movies, but after that, it starts just being its own thing.

Edited by Zendervai on Oct 27th 2023 at 2:03:15 PM

Yea, Agent Carter has the advantage of being set in the 40's. There's basically a big gap in the MCU timeline from WWII til roughly the 90's that's easy to slot things in without disrupting much.

I mean nothing stops AGENTS OF SHIELD from showing up in the Multiverse or What Ifs now.

And Disney did make Quake canon.

Just not for the MCU.

Daisy shows up in Secret Warriors as Agent: Quake with Ms. Marvel and Squirrel Girl.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 27th 2023 at 12:17:23 PM

Can't say I am surprised as I felt like they had to say this eventually.

Quake was already canon. She originated as a comics character not in AoS.

Edited by dcutter2 on Oct 27th 2023 at 8:20:50 PM

Yep she's still Jianyang and Mr hydes daughter their too right ?

The only major expectation is Hyde in the comics is a pure evil villain who doesn't care about either of them (Man you should read some comics with him. Hes so toned down in the show it's amazing. The ghost rider arc where he captures a bunch of homeless people and founds a club where people can torture then for fun. Or that time he runs a prison which vivisects inhuman prisoners, etc)

Jiaying and Quake's mother are actually Decomposite Characters; the former was introduced in the comics after season 2 as an old friend of the latter, at least from what I remember.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Oct 27th 2023 at 3:32:59 PM

I much prefer the show's Mr. Hyde not only due to having more depth but just for being more fun to watch due to Kyle MacLachlan having a ball in the role.

But it's essentially a different character. In the comics he is usually so vile, other villains team up with the heroes to stop him.

I know it is basically a different character, but I just prefer the TV version.

Jemma Simmons right now, probably:

AoS taking place in another timeline is really not very surprising. The good news is that its existence is acknowledged, so a possible cameo from some of the characters would be possible in the future (like Captain Carter in MoM). The bad news is that there is no guarantee those characters would have the same actors, especially if the cameo involves their Sacred Timeline counterparts.

It really bugs me though that almost all the other pre-phase IV TV series had an actor reprising their role in the main continuity, while AoS, which had begun as an early experiment of tying a series to the movies, has been dutifully ignored.

Ao S is also unique since Coulson in the cast, who originated from the movies. (And returned for a cameo in Captain Marvel). Out of the rest of the cast, Chloe Bennet is the only one I can really see returning as a version of Quake.

Ming-na Wen is the only other one who might get a cameo, but a lot of that is because she's Ming-na Wen and Disney loves her.

I actually heard something of the sort like that too, that the show started getting into it's paces somewhere around or after the halfway point of season one.

Speaking of which, I gotta get back into season one at some point. I know the absolute furthest I watched it was up to episode 8, the "Dark Worlds" tie-in...

Wait, that episode came out in November of 2013...

And a certain movie with it's antagonist being a man who desperately wanted some damn plumbs came out in April of 2014...

A movie whose plot points should have very big effects for this show...

I see that I have episode 11 or 12 to look forward to, don't I. To look forward to indeedily.

For what it's worth, from what I remember, the early concept of C.S.I in the Marvel Universe i.e. a show with a singular main plotline that picks up bit by bit while some of the episodes are more...episodic, for lack of a better word, being more about day-to-day events-I remember being interested when I overheard that.

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Though the films never acknowledged the show bringing Coulson back from the dead.

I liked Seasons 1 and 2. The pacing was off perhaps, but having a show about the spy agency already being fully established and reacting to the B-plots of the movie was what I was here for. The big SHIELD civil war shook things up but rattled the premise I had originally been interested in until it became a quirky "work family" kind of show that I absolutely despise aka Legends of Tomorrow.

It became less about "Agents of SHIELD" and more "Agents of Barely Functioning Spy Agency That Can Barely Afford Gas For A Plane." The legitimacy of SHIELD was in flux throughout Seasons 2 and 3 until it just ceased to matter by Season 4. There went that "how does this big background organization we saw in all the films operate" because that organization was infiltrated by HYDRA.

Season 2 was the best season. Betrayals, intrigue, action, character development of Fitz and Simmons, a mixture of alien mystique and spy thriller, exciting performances from Kyle Maclahan and Al Mckenzie. The changed dynamics between Ward and the rest of the team coming back to haunt them. The Dirty Half Dozen is still one of my favorite episodes of the show.

The SHIELD Civil War was my favorite storyline. Just like Season 1 we got that mid-season twist of "welcome to the real SHIELD."

Granted it farted itself out like a wet balloon with Admiral Adama getting Snapped anti-climatically and never getting mentioned again, but this show always works best for me when we get those internal/group conflicts - seriously, Ward betraying the group, the civil war with Mack and Mockingbird, Daisy getting infected by Hive, Mack becoming Ghost Rider, the LMD's - these are the best story arcs of the show.

Season 3 was good because of Daisy coming into her own as leader - the episode where the Inhumans teamed up being one of my favorites, along with IIRC the episode where Daisy and Coulson had a premonition of the future (the season finale) where

Well, this clip:

One of the most fascinating conversations in the show. Fitz's frustration is palpable.

This show had some breathtaking moments.

Season 4 is where I started falling off with the whole show retool - SHIELD is "back," Coulson isn't the boss anymore and some new guy shows up (kind of what I think they wanted to do with John Walker in FATWS), Daisy is AWOL, magic is at the forefront this season. We were in the Trump era of American politics this season and it shows.

I wasn't really a fan of that, but the new story structure, the "pods," made for some concise and sequential storytelling. We went from Ghost Rider to the appearance of the LMD's leading to the Framework, a virtual reality horrorshow where Grant Ward is actually a good guy and everybody else is evil, and finally to the season's Arc Villain gaining sentience and necessitating that Coulson become Ghost Rider to defeat her.

Season 5 was a huge fustercluck of time travel sh-t and I won't say much about it because I barely understood what was happening. I'm not sure what the point of the Deke character was beyond comic relief. We had our final severance from the MCU when "Thanos" was referenced. Adrian Pasdar's character Talbot broke bad and fought Daisy in a low-budget superhero fight. It was fun seeing "Graviton" come back after all this time though it felt like a desperate Call-Back they'd forgotten to do in an earlier season.

Season 6 I wish I watched because we had an Anti-Hero Coulson for a bit. No idea what that was about.

Season 7.

I'm sure It Makes Sense in Context.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 7th 2023 at 1:32:55 PM

Edited by Brandon on Nov 7th 2023 at 7:48:37 AM

I definitely felt like Deke overstayed his welcome.

Not as much as Yo-Yo