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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#2976: Mar 17th 2020 at 1:27:42 PM

As a suggestion for kind of a baseline, look at Starfinder's Alien Archive 2, which has the Valka, and/or Pahtra (canine, feline, respectively) races.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2977: Mar 17th 2020 at 10:58:01 PM

Third volume of extinction curse will have Shoony ancestry which are pug people (they have con flaw [lol] )

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#2978: Apr 17th 2020 at 11:31:59 PM

Reposting:

Related to another idea I had earlier:

Creating "Utility/Narrative" classes, I wanna call 'em "demi-classes" cause they're made incomplete on purpose. They're made to be gestalted with other classes, they're expressively barred from certain classes, mostly full-casters come to mind but it might be prudent to go through each class one by one and they only have Narrative / Utility abilities.

Classes like Ritualist, Commander, Noble, Diplomat, Survivor, Engineer, Chosen. Someone with a class lacking for skills or abilities outside of battle might have one of these tacked on.

It'd be easier than my idea of building everything up again from the ground up.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2979: Apr 18th 2020 at 12:34:17 AM

Isn't that kinda similar to archetypes or corruptions? Obviously not identical idea but still

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#2980: Apr 18th 2020 at 1:49:39 AM

Archetypes allow for some give-and-take variations, tweaking a class to a more specific flavor and/or mechanical aptitude.

But yes.

But also no.

This would involve no take, only give, but also only for those certain classes that- by my estimation -don't have anything to give in this regard, ie something to do outside of Fightan. You tack them on like an extra limb.

This is more written from the vantage point of PF 1 than PF 2, mind, which I've heard has something that sounds like 4e's ritual system. So that might be something.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2981: Apr 18th 2020 at 2:08:25 AM

I guess Starfinder's themes might be comparable?

Edited by SpookyMask on Apr 18th 2020 at 12:08:50 PM

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#2982: Apr 18th 2020 at 3:34:36 AM

Maybe? I never felt like there was enough mileage to get out of them but it's possible I was A) doing it wrong and B) not playing it long enough.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#2983: Apr 18th 2020 at 2:03:39 PM

If the intent is just to gestalt them onto other classes it might be better to just go in class by class and add what those bare classes would in archetypes that don't actually take anything away short of a few modifications where appropriate.

Edited by Hashil on Apr 18th 2020 at 5:06:41 AM

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#2984: Apr 18th 2020 at 3:25:45 PM

Go class by class and add appropriate narrative powers to each, you mean?

Or add narrative powered archetypes to each class that don't interfere with any class features?

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#2985: Apr 18th 2020 at 4:05:59 PM

Same effect, at the end of the day. Archetypes make them optional to the player, though.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2986: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:58:47 PM

On side note, took part in paizocon online, had greatest con experience in my life :3 I hope to take part in gencon online too...

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2987: Aug 8th 2020 at 7:46:06 PM

Lost Omen Legends book is best lore book btw ;P Fight me

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#2988: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:15:08 PM

Speaking of lore, sometimes it's the most simple of descriptions that imply a lot. Recently we were playing the fourth book of Reign of Winter, and invading the fortress of Dragon Lord Yrax. And one of the things I most distinctly remember, is that a some point we crossed a hallway full of statues, and the GM simply told us they were all statues of Yrax himself. Which, really, tells you everything you need to know about the guy.

Edited by Medinoc on Sep 15th 2020 at 10:15:37 AM

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2989: Sep 16th 2020 at 9:22:36 PM

Ya definitely can agree that I really love room descriptions in Paizo adventures xD

Anyhoo, nice that they are finally doing Mwangi Expanse book that isn't written from perspective of Sargavans :p

Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#2990: Sep 17th 2020 at 12:42:36 AM

It, and the accompanying adventure path both look great!

magus123 Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#2991: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:34:37 AM

How viable is a dwarf cavalier?

Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#2992: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:26:02 AM

A bunch of Order abilities are Charisma-dependent, but if you don't focus on those then a dwarf is still viable. It helps that dwarf has a pretty good favored class bonus.

Edited by Karxrida on Sep 17th 2020 at 10:32:14 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#2993: Sep 21st 2020 at 7:23:14 AM

I'm playing in an Iron Gods campaign now where I'm finally trotting out my Barbarian of Joy idea... and it's so much fun. I even have fun making him a Religious Bruiser (because a guy who takes joy in battle seems like a natural follower of Gorum), and it's been hilarious watching how things go down (one of my favorite parts was my character trying to rally Scrapwall to help out at the climax of Part 2 of the module... and then watching the inevitable result as the character who sunk his charisma and naturally didn't put ranks in diplomacy tries to inspire people).

That said... having played an Unchained Barbarian for a bit, part of me wants to write an updated guide for discussing the adjustments that Unchained made to the class (that, and to pull catfolk out of the red for race recommendations - it just has too many feats that give useful stuff to be that low, even if the wisdom penalty hurts). I mean, I know the bulk of the player base has moved on to 2nd, and it'd mostly be an addendum for the stuff changed from vanilla barbarian, but still, it seems like it could use updating.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2994: Jan 6th 2021 at 2:13:00 AM

So reminded that Druma book is best book

Finally had energy to read it in better detail and man that book is good

Its incredibly when campaign setting book manages to turn one of game's most boring nations into one of most interesting ones

Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2996: Jan 6th 2021 at 5:48:36 AM

"Druma, Profit and Prophecy"

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#2997: Oct 4th 2021 at 5:59:30 PM

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Blood_Lords_(adventure_path)

It's looking like Geb's going to be the main antagonist if some of the titles are anything to go by.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2998: Dec 30th 2021 at 7:26:52 PM

Spheres of Guile and Ultimate Engineering are being kickstarted for 1e.

Spheres of Guile is a Spheres of Power expansion for The Social Expert, with several social-fu classes using the Spheres engine.

Ultimate Engineering is a rebuild of the Tech sphere from Might.

So if you like the Spheres system, there's something to throw your Christmas money at.

Chortleous she/her friend to the hooved (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
she/her friend to the hooved
#2999: Apr 26th 2022 at 4:30:50 PM

Apropos of absolutely nothing, a Magical Trickster catfolk rogue using Pride Hunter to hide behind his allies and snipe with Sneak Attack-augmented ranged spells is a neat thing that can happen.

Rotpar Since: Jan, 2010
#3000: Sep 2nd 2022 at 9:09:52 AM

Might be attempting Starfinder soon at my new local game store. Made a couple of characters I could hopefully slot into an unknown party.


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