Arrow. Green Arrow tv show.

I generally enjoyed the pilot aside from the ridiculously ham-handed voiceovers.

Tried watching it. Didn't really hold my attention. I gave up around the point where Ollie was escaping (or possibly chasing after...who remembers) the mooks in the skull masks.

It was a bit of both actually as he wound up killing them all. Did anyone get the immpression that Tommie was faking unconsciousness in that scene?

No idea.

Here's a funny thought: Ollie isn't a superhero yet at that point. Basically he murdered a bunch of dudes so they didn't get in the way of his superhero fantasy. Our Hero.

Now that it's actually aired I'll talk about what I was thinking after I saw the pilot at Comic-Con. I'm not particularly enthused. None of the characters are particularly interesting or likable, the protagonist in particular lacks the kind of charisma that's necessary for a friggin' superhero, and it seems a lot of the plot runs on contrivances - room full of people and nobody notices the beeping arrow in the wall, dudes kidnap the lead on the off-chance that he knows about the conspiracy because dad might've told him... the mother is behind the kidnapping? What?

A look at Deathstroke!

My biggest problem is that dumb makeup "mask." I hated it with Black Canary in Smallville and it hasn't gotten better here. What was wrong with the idea of high-tech sunglasses?

As for the rest? A bit rushed. I can't see why it had to be just one hour and not two. And why Dinah Lance is going by her middle name is beyond me.

They had kidnapped and tortured him so a little hard to feel any sympathy. I found the fact that his mother was the Big Bad a good thing. I thought they had set up her new husband for that role and that she would be his innocent pawn. Would be even more fun if the roles were completely reversed and he turned out to be an innocent dupe.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:10:21 PM by tricksterson

I tend to generally take a dim view of murder. Especially given the bit later where "oh he only put the henchmen in the hospital." A little late to be pulling that card, honestly. At the very least you could stay consistent.

Deathstroke looks good so far.

I'm liking it so far. I predict much beard-growing in future. Preferably in the shape of a two-pronged goatee.

The pilot got me interested enough to give it a second chance. So far he largely seems like Batman with a bow. Which I'm OK with.

I'm really hoping the show doesn't call him Deathstroke. The name is just so dumb sounding. Teen Titans definitely had the right idea in calling him Slade.

I'm cool with calling him Deathstroke as long as a story behind the name is given. Teen Titans only called him Slade because of Never Say "Die", which to me is a stupid reason.

This is assuming they use code names at all. Though I agree Deathstroke sounds stupid.

What I find hilarious is that he "puts the henchmen in the hospital" once ( improbably so given where he shot them, but eh ). . . only to go and straight out murder everyone the *next* fight. Against hired guards we are given no reason to believe are anything but working schmoes. So not only did he murder a ton of guys just doing a job, but he did so *after demonstrating he's good enough not to need to.*

Killing for the sake of sending a message? Our hero, ladies and gentlemen!

Somebody needs to do a Weekly Kill Count. . .

^To be fair, it was the first episode. Like, his first attempt at the hero thing. He's gonna need time to angst and develope a no-kill-code. Give him time. Maybe he'll go off and mull it over in a temple...

Even if he did, it'd take a *hell* of a story to convince me he's actually achieved redemption. Because right now, that's what he needs.

^Only time will tell.

Deathstroke's new look is... interesting... I kinda prefer the helmet thing he was rocking on Teen Titans. The way he looks now reminds me of the goblins from the Harry Potter films...

I think I'm gonna call him Goblinstroke. Actually, no. That sounds wrong.

Footage from NYCC of future eps

with bits of China White, Deadshot, Deathstroke, Huntress and Captain Jack Harkness (Yes he's in this, we don't know who he is though)

I was counting down the mintues he was in gear or training. Not a good start. Also, way to recycle Luthor Manor. Still not feeling this show, but I will give it a chance.

Not feeling it either. They definitely need to step up the game in the villain department. One-dimensional "RAWR! I'M AN EVIL BUSINESSMAN!" guys are boring as hell.

I'm thinking they might be working towards Deathstroke possibly being the archer on the island who shot him in the flashback, and that next week we'll learn that he was trained by Deathstroke over those 5 years and they had some kind of falling out.

That's more or less what I'm expecting, but why would Deathstroke be wearing that outfit instead of his usual, especially since we see his mask at the beginning so he definitely has it.

And am I the only one seeing a definite non-sibling vibe between Oliver and Thea?

edited 18th Oct '12 11:35:13 AM by tricksterson

Well, I probably won't be following the show. Pilot doesn't catch my interest, and the main character is just... he's just really, really bland.

Out of curiousity, how many people does Ollie kill in the second episode?

I don't see why Green Arrow killing people is such a big deal. Sure, some of the guys he kills are just doing their job, but I think that the fact he is willing to kill in order to fulfill his promise to his father adds some more depth. It also shows how his time on the island distanced him from his past self. Who knows, he may grow out of his murderous phase once he finishes his father's list.