The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

I think I should make a link to this post to get the info moving.

So is each work under review going to have a separate thread in this subforum?

No, only these where the 5P need some outside assistance. All decision-making there is in their hands.

Suggestion:

If you don't want people debating works in the main petition threads, maybe you could make a general "debate works here" thread for that purpose (with specific threads created by the 5Ps as needed, if they want them).

I think you can leave that to the discussion pages, and make a rule for the 5P to read the discussion, just like the cutlist.

Might as well go ahead and pin this thread. Good luck to you all!

@ 4: I was under the impression this would work similar to the edit-banned thread, where only the 5P would be able to post in the threads. Otherwise, where would the discussion take place? PM's go against the entire purpose—that is, being public.

I rather think that it's a public thread, but opening and closing it are 5P privileges.

Dunno if a limited-use sticky here for 5P-only discussions when they don't need outside help makes sense.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:32:36 AM by SeptimusHeap

Fast Eddie is still coding up the final mechanism for handling things, I believe. Once everything's set up, other than when the 5P requests input from others, the rest of us are pretty much tourists beyond suggesting pages to review.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:45:13 AM by Nohbody

If each work doesn't get its own thread, how do we know which works are under review?

Right now, my understanding is that nobody is allowed to discuss or defend works anywhere on the wiki, ever. Once the "Suggestions for Review" thread is locked and replaced with flagging, we won't even be allowed to holler if we see misrepresentation by another troper.

Can the mods please give us a way to do so? Please?

Back then there was a mention of a separate thread for every under-discussion work, where each interested troper can have one post to file their suggestions to attempt to influence the 5P-only thread. I don't know how this will be implemented exactly — today I heard about it being put in the discussions page instead of the forums, for example — but there should be something similar to that.

The idea is to limit the discussion to the panel, but allowing for tropers to provide their opinions, expertise, and arguments without actually being in a discussion. Which is to say, write your views and suggestions, edit them if necessary, but limit it to one well-thought post covering all grounds rather than conversing about it in a megathread. It's a good model, I think.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:54:53 AM by Catalogue

We can't. Moderators can't code things here. And the only ones who can start threads here are the P5.

If you see someone misrepresenting a work, holler.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:48:31 AM by lu127

And that is the reason why we need a wiki page for this whole thing - The 5 Ps is what comes to mind.

You guys keep saying to holler, then you say you're going to lock the recommendations thread and replace it with a flagging system. How can we possibly holler a flag? That makes no sense.

Maybe it refers to the hollering in those discussion threads (if there's no thread and someone's misrepresenting it, of course, you use the appeal system instead), or there will be another system implemented. My understanding is, it's not done yet.

Septimus Heap, I think that is pending as well. There should be a guideline, sure.

@13: That is a good model. And that is what was mentioned. And it looks to me that TPTB have explicitly said it's not going to happen. Which people are objecting to, because it's a good model.

(The rules I would suggest:

1. Just because someone defended something — or even everyone did — doesn't mean it'll stay
2. One post per person per work
3. Posts must be about the work, not about other posters or other posts)

The problem is that so much stuff is being cut (and rightfully so), that a thread about each single item would be just too much. It would either be totally unwieldy or the work would just go way too slow.

I don't see why disucussions of the work should slow down the 5Peers dealing with it. It's not like they have to read them. And again, limiting it to one post per person per work will help keep thread size under control.

I don't quite see the point in a one post per person limit. It's not a brainstorming thread.

The point is to encourage well-thought-out, carefully written posts that focus on the actual topic instead of arguing with each other.

The less arguing the thread has, and the shorter it is, the more likely the 5P will be to look in on it. If it's just circular arguments re-hashing the same opinions over and over, or fighting over semantics and drifting off-topic and arguing over tiny details of the works, then they're unlikely to want to read it unless they are desperate for info.

Can we petition to have a trope deleted too, and not just a work page? (I'm thinking Legal Jailbait)

edited 21st Apr '12 5:36:46 PM by Autumncomet

And I'm thinking that that shouldn't be a necessary concern. Let them deal with works first. If somebody wants to start a hellfire shitstorm over tropes themselves, we could at least wait until the current situation dies down and everybody's not freaking out, yes?

And what I mean by that is, while I personally don't really see what the fuss is about at all and believe that the administration is overreacting just a wee bit, I realize that the most I can do is try to keep the firing squad from taking aim at more than one target at a time, if you understand the metaphor.

edited 21st Apr '12 6:28:49 PM by EvaUnit01

I'm in agreement with Eva. That trope looks like it needs to go through TRS anyway.

edited 21st Apr '12 6:25:40 PM by TwoGunAngel