This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
Discord is already under Creator/
Waffle Cat (she/her)
I know but why? What is the reasoning behind putting it under that namespace?
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I think it's because they've created a few handful of video games, which, fair enough but I wouldn't exactly protest it being moved to Website.
He/Him
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Huh, so they do make some stuff and not just host some works. I guess that's a somewhat decent reason to keep them as Creator/
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Dec 20th 2023 at 1:02:32 AM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
What do we do with websites that mostly host games but also made some of their own like Coolmath Games and Crazy Games and Friv and etc
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Is it fine to add Referenced by.../ to Namespace?
It seems to be used as much as Shout-Out/ (which is on that page)
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
That's a list of tropes/YMMV pages with their own icons. Referenced by.../ can be added to that list once it gets its own icon, but it wouldn't make sense to add it before that.
He/Him
I see
I've already got a suggestion for Referenced by.../ that the namespace icon thread really likes, an ear horn:
Cause it's the opposite of Shout-Out/'s megaphone 📢 icon
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Lots of coffee
Ooh, a bit obscure but clever.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
He/Him
Should Polybius really be in VideoGame/?
It being there implies the game existed, when I thought the whole point is that we don't know if it did exist.
Shouldn't Myth/ fit better?
Apparently that namespace handles Urban Legends too.
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the Retromancer
As mentioned before, Polybius needs Goncharov-like split between the legend, posts about it and the adaptations.
Myth/ has never been used for anything but ancient folklore and religions as far as I'm aware.
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 16th 2024 at 8:18:36 PM
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
I don't necessarily see a valid reason to exclude urban legends from Myth, though.
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the Retromancer
Sure, I wouldn't be against modern folklore like certain Japanese horror stories.
If we figure out where Polybius came from, the earliest known source is this 1998-2000 arcade database entry, making is possibly be a Web Original instead.
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 16th 2024 at 8:26:23 PM
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He/Him
Idk, there's a genuine possibility that the legend started before the internet even came into fruition
As in it was somewhat discussed in the 1980s by someone around that time and only began to spread after maybe that
I'm betting on Myth/ just to be safe for now because its actual origin is ambiguous
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 17th 2024 at 1:37:34 AM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
It would be nice to see urban myths be in the myth namespace, and I do agree with the point that it could've started before the internet
Literature.Momo Creepypasta doesn't seem like the right namespace, as it's an internet-based urban legend (Know Your Meme, Wikipedia) and not a specific text (as far as I can tell). Would Myth/ seem more appropriate? (Alternatively... move it back to Web Original/...?)
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 4:16:27 AM
He/Him
There is a specific story on it on the Creepypasta wiki
This one? It seems like that specific story was based on a pre-existing myth, rather than that story being the basis of urban legend. The story was posted on that site in 2020, after the urban legend arose in 2018.
Plus, the work page as it's written doesn't actually appear to be about that specific story.
Art due to the sculpture or myth
He/Him
Yeah, we could just make Art.Mother Bird the actual work page instead of just a redirect
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 17th 2024 at 8:34:07 PM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
There's actually two works here: the sculpture, and the myth around it. The sculpture could get its own page separate from the myth, but the myth shouldn't be troped on a page for the sculpture, just as we wouldn't trope fanfic on the page for the source work.
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:00:17 AM
Waffle Cat (she/her)
I agree with that. Although, wouldn't the myth that arose from it qualify for Derivative Works/ too?
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He/Him
Ehhh...sort off. I think I stated that I wanted a DW page to at least have 3 works based on the original source
Anyways
Art.Mother Bird should be the main page for the statue
Myth.Momo Creepypasta or Myth.Momo Urban Legend should be the page about the myth
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 18th 2024 at 12:05:13 AM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Huh, I didn't know that. I'll go check those threads and see if I can contribute. Thanks for informing me.
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