Nubia's consistently been starring in some kind of Wonder Woman spinoff since Future StateInfinite Frontier. There's plenty enough precedent for Nubia continuing in something with "amazon" in its title. It'd be really interesting if, in addition to that, DC could find someway to revitalize the Wonder Girl title(protagonist role alternating between Donna Troy, Cassie Sandsmark and Yara Flor with occasional team ups maybe) or think of something to replace it with(Aretmis/Requiem or Xiao Qing/Peng Delian perhaps?)
Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Apr 8th 2024 at 7:52:45 AM
Besides the Amazons featured here, I would like to see Mala, Artemis, Amaya, Philippus, Kassia and a Truer to the Text version of Akila featured in a book focusing on the Amazons.
I know it's not, but Historia always makes me think of some compilation release rather than an original story.
Honestly not really my stuff. I think I was in the minority in that I liked that "back to life" arc of Infinite Frontier, for the most part. I liked that Post Crisis Simone run too, I was too late to help make it successful, but it's still nice to know Wonder Woman is continuing to get a degree of financial and critical success.
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RIP to another old school legend.
Goddamn so many are passing away. 
Edited by slimcoder on Apr 11th 2024 at 3:08:02 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
What do you guys think of Diana and Zatanna as a sort of "World's Finest" duo similar to Superman and Batman?
Functionally there is nothing wrong with it. D and Z are friends with contrasting skill sets. Can't think of any good reason for it not to happen in story.
Thematically I don't like it, if the purpose is to parallel World's Finest. Superman and Batman are both standalone start ups that carried a comic line (Action Comics from the start with Superman, Detective Comics eventually with Batman), while Zatanna's Zatara's successor from Action Comics. Sure, the team up makes sense In-Universe, but outside of it, marketing it as another World's Finest does not. The only DC Character I think thematically fits with Wonder Woman for that is Phantom Lady, but as far as I know the two have no relationship whatsoever, so it could just be started in story without first building it up. I'm no expert on the DCU though, maybe there are several Wonder Woman-Phantom lady run ins or dozens of similar characters that fit just fine.
I think Black Canary is okay for both Wonder Woman and Zatanna. Dinah is still a spinoff character, but she has no obvious ties to Johnny Thunder and did regularly substitute for Wonder Woman in the Justice Society, so you can kind of promote her as the Batman to Wonder Woman's Superman without raising too many eyebrows. Conversely Black Canary is a spinoff character and Zatanna is a successor, so I could see them starring in "Finest Legacy" or something.
Most people don't know or care that Zatanna is a successor to another character. In fact, most don't even know her father's name.
Seems likely, but are these people regular comic book readers, or at least paying attention to DC? Are they prone to thinking of Zatanna on the level of Wonder Woman let alone Superman or Batman? I see nothing wrong the misadventures of Wonder Woman and Zatanna, or even an Earth moving catastrophe only they are in position to stop, but would marketing it specifically as distaff World's Finest really be the way to go from the very first pitch?
Functionally a setup that justifies Etta Candy regularly being on panel would be my priority with Wonder Woman comics. Etta Candy is no Batman of course, in or out of universe. She'd be an astronomically worse choice to push as half of another "World's Finest" unless you were spoofing the concept. But if you just want Wonder Woman buddy stories, Etta Candy is a fine foil. If you just want to tell stories where Wonder Woman has a girl's night out with a spell caster you can bring back Morgana. She's also a much worse choice than Zatanna if you're specifically marketing the book as a World's Finest type of adventure, but Etta and Morgana would be fine Robins.
I might be wrong, but I don't think DC is really set up for a world's finest distaff involving Diana. Zatanna and Black Canary, Power Girl and Huntress, and little else. I'd be perfectly fine with a book about Wonder Woman and Zatanna, but I think "World's Finest" goes to "Trinity" then to Justice Society/League. I guess you could try and market Wonder Woman/Zatanna as "World's Finest Dark" working backwards from "Justice League Dark". I'd be more for Wonder Woman's Robins than her Batman, an "Etta and the Amazon", a "Modernist Maidens", but I'd give "World's Finest Dark" a shot if it came to it.
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Yeah I don't think people will care about that detail much.
As long as the stories are fun and the interactions are entertaining, is all you could ask from a World's Finest style team-up.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
If we're talking both Etta Candy and attempts at another take on World's Finest, I'd be down for something that has Etta Candy and Jimmy Olsen teaming up for wacky adventures.
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Lotta psychological horror in this. Frightening as hell to see Sovy tampering with Diana's mind like that.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Post Crisis Pre Flashpoint whatever Circe would find The Sovereign's efforts amateurish, question how her other self ended up working for him, and then find herself salivating at Diana's suffering anyway.
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Circe is only working with the Soverign to amuse herself.
In the big villain battle her main contribution is to turn Silver Swan into a swan so Diana wouldn't notice her as she dive-bombed her.
Afterwards Circe turned into a cat and took a nap.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I wasn't giving my opinion on Dawn of DC Circe. I was referencing how Post Crisis turned Hippolyta into a house wife to spite Diana, and imaging what her reaction to The Sovereign would be.
Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Apr 16th 2024 at 10:09:06 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
So what was Wonder Woman doing in the lead up to Final Crisis?
I know what Batman and Superman were doing.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Final Crisis? The Darkseid thing? Before it started? Um? Trying to balance spending time with her boyfriend with providing for her talking gorilla squatters because DC, with stopping the Gargareans Zeus intended to replace/rule the Amazons, with stopping Genocide the monster Ares intended to Kill All Humans, with dealing with Alkyone's plots to get rid of Diana for being "the dragon". I think that sums up the lead up to Final Crisis for Wonder Woman. "Sorry but you're going to have to deal with Darkseid this month, I'm busy!"
Did that crossover even matter for Diana? I seem to remember it being about Donna Troy and Jason Todd adopting a Monitor Jason named "Bob", scouring the multiverse for Ray Palmer and Donna meeting an alternate universe counterpart of herself, something that wasn't supposed to exist anymore outside of Dark Angel, then beating up the alternate because she was working for the villain Belthera and trying to convince Donna to kill Diana. I definitely remember Dark Angel breaking out of jail, vowing to hunt down these Donna's that shouldn't be along with the one she knew and loved to torment, and then never showing up again. That was around the time I discovered TV Tropes actually, and lurking on the wiki told me "Countdown To Final Crisis" was largely a big mess to avoid.
Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Apr 17th 2024 at 7:07:56 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
Wondy got mind controlled by the anti-life equation during final crisis. Not sure how lore accurate that is since she's Wonder Woman.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 17th 2024 at 8:08:06 PM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
That depends on whether the writer wants to make her "truth" defenses innate to Wonder Woman and channeled by her lasso or if have them come from having the lasso itself leave her vulnerable to Mind Manipulation without it.
Clearly Final Crisis went for the latter, most do. Sometimes there's the caveat that she has to be somewhat aware of what's being used against her before the rope can start getting rid of it but she should know New Gods use mind control stuff. There was also that "eyes of Pallas" upgrade Athena gave her, which was supposed to be a definitive "this version of Diana has psychic defenses even without the rope" statement but I could imagine the Final Crisis writer just said "I'm writing Darkseid as stronger than Athena so too bad!". The Olympians were all captured, tortured and nearly killed during (sigh)Amazons Attack after all.
Has anyone read Wonder Woman: Odyssey? I'd heard about it but not much else.
The Protomen enhanced my life.
Tom King talks ‘Wonder Woman’ #9 and the future of Trinity
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AIPT: You’ve mentioned Diana’s a warrior for peace, and thus, every fight is a lost one. And now she’s Sovereign’s captive and not fighting at all. How have you taken this warrior of peace to a different level with this setup?
Tom King: Diane obviously has a plan here. She’s executing a plan that Sovereign doesn’t know about. And you’ll see it’s very purposely and that the sovereign captions are on pages where he knows what’s going on. And then there are pages, the Wonder Girl pages, where he doesn’t know what’s going on, and the captions suddenly disappear. The Wonder Girls are executing Diane’s plan, and part of her plan is to be captured by Sovereign. This is a three-issue arc, so it’s gonna be revealed in the next one. You don’t have to wait for the big twist for 12 issues. It’s called “Sacrifice.” And it’s basically three trials. It’s Sovereign trying in three different ways to break her.
In the first one, he used the Lasso of Lies. In the second one, he used isolation. It takes a very social person, a person who is raised by a village and leaves them alone, to just sort of let that be her torture because she can endure pain. Can she endure just loneliness? The third one’s already been announced. Cheetah plays a big role in how he tries to break her.
AIPT: Wonder Woman’s daughter Trinity has obviously slowly grown up in these backup stories. Will you be continuing the backup format in the foreseeable future? How much longer until we get to know her fully and how she got here?
TK: There is this three-issue arc called “Sacrifice” that ends with the next issue 10. Then, #11, #12, and #13 are the crossover issues, the Absolute Power issues.
Then in 14 is our huge issue that will go right to the Trinity story. Those three middle issues are being drawn by Tony Daniel, not bad. A-list Tony Daniel.
Edited by windleopard on May 9th 2024 at 6:22:27 PM
With how well King's main series is doing, it would be very prudent to always have a secondary title playing off it.
Give WW more spin-offs.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."