Wonder Woman

I have no problem with it, but they never, ever did anything with it.

That's why I don't get why some people have such an attachment to it, but you can like however much you want.

edited 20th Sep '12 5:34:59 PM by fakeangelbr

I don't see why you need to "do" anything with it. You can do plenty with the other half of her origin, being from an isolated civilization.

How many other heroes (not just modern Superheroes, but heroes overall) where literally born from clay?

Everyone that is human.

But here's from another point of view: What is so special about her being born from clay?

edited 20th Sep '12 7:01:30 PM by fakeangelbr

She's directly born from clay, which hasn't happened since before Prometheus stole fire (excepting the non-hero Galatea). Where I in charge of the reboot, I would have had that connection to primordial humans be about half the source of her power, which would then be enhanced by her armor (which would be enchanted by the various Greek goddesses).

Err, no.

God is real in the DCU and he made the humans from clay.

She wasn't powerful because of the substance she was made, but because she received blessings from the gods.

Which by the way, major OOC from their part.

The original humans yes, but none since. Unless sexual reproduction doesn't happen in the DCU. Did you notice the "if I was in charge of the reboot" part, I wasn't saying that is how it is or how it was, but how I would do it. And the substance would only be important because of the Ancient Greeks belief in man getting worse over time (a belief I don't share).

edited 20th Sep '12 7:25:40 PM by BigMadDraco

Good thing you aren't, then.

The first greek human were a bunch of drooling retards.

edited 20th Sep '12 7:26:12 PM by fakeangelbr

Why do you need to do anything with it? Why not. You've got a comic series DC is obviously never going to wrap up until they're done with comics forever, you might as well squeeze all the juice for good stories you can.

You reminded us how Greeks believed the last age was always better than the first one so that part of her power may be from the fact she is a pre-deluge human made in the way Prometheus did it. Is there no interesting story that can be built on that?

A little tweaked origin could work for other characters too. I don't know where they got the idea for an Irish demon cheetah or why the crazy rich lady wearing a rug was supposed to be a worthy challenge for a woman as strong as Superman but the Cheetah who got her powers from an African plant god was on the right track. The Greeks loved the Ethoipians and Romans hated Carthage so some Crossover Cosmology could actually work.

I wouldn't intend to make Cheetah the arch nemesis she never has been outside of parodies but if they had some deeper connection you could milk more stories out of it.

I always thought her clay origin added something to her character. She's born from clay and blessed by the gods. I mean, she's essentially the perfect woman. What does that do to her ego? How does she manage to act as a diplomat in man's world without looking her nose down on everyone?

edited 21st Sep '12 12:12:57 AM by AtomJames

That doesn't add to her character, that just makes her a Mary Sue.

Not necessarily. It just makes her proud and you know what, I want that from a warrior. It makes sense that she would have a big head. Literally given life by the gods is bound to do that.

Yeah, as I said, Mary Sue.

The gods would never would do that.

...You do realize that pride was the Greek Panthenon's greatest flaw? The pride of three, count'em three goddesses was the impetus of the Trojan War.

And that's why they would never cooperate in something like this.

They making themselves equal to mortals? Athena made Arachne a spider for even being equal to her in the art of sewing, for pete's sake.

edited 21st Sep '12 5:35:46 AM by fakeangelbr

I'm not sure we're on the same page here. What do the gods co-operating with humans have to do with a demigod's role as a diplomat to Man's World? I'm not trying to pick a fight by the way. I genuinely am confused by how this conversation has turned.

edited 21st Sep '12 5:42:20 AM by AtomJames

First, pre-nu52 Diana is not a demigod.

Second, everything.

Diana would simply not exist with the greek gods unless they are the disneyfied version of them.

A mortal pleading us to breath life to a clay doll? Feh, does she have any idea of who we are?

And yet Aphrodite gave life to Galatea.

Quite the different tale.

A random woman asking for a clay statue be turned into a real girl? Greek gods probably wouldn't give a damn. One of the last true believers begging for a miracle? Far more likely.

Truth be told, Athena or Hera would be better choices as a war goddess may be more willing to show favor to the Amazons and Hera is the goddess of women.

You want a reason to tie WW closer to the Greek gods? Have part of her role be as a prophet of the pantheon.

edited 21st Sep '12 1:15:50 PM by BigMadDraco

I much rather have what Azzarello wrote, then you very much.

I don't claim to be a good writer, just a man that hates replacing serviceable origins with amazingly cliche origins.

Having her be the daughter of literally any other god in the Greek pantheon (Aries would be good as he makes for a good arch-villain as he is rarely shown to have any sympathetic traits in Greek myths we have) would get little more than a shrug from me.

You don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

Haven't read any of the reboot Wonder Woman stuff, nothing I've heard about it makes me want to.

And that's why you should not been discussing this.

You are out of your depth.

There's Mary Sue, and then there's Escapist Character. You could fit Wonder Woman in either category and the side you take is a matter of opinion.

I mean, Batman is in both categories, and you don't see anyone make an issue out of that!