Captain America

At least per Marvel Wikia, Kobik resetting the timeline turned Stevil into an AU version, with the good one back to being "our" Cap.

So captain America is now captain goldfish

I'm pretty sure that the whole "The Nazi's won WWII but the Allies retconned it" is a lie fed to HYDRA!Cap to keep him onboard, along with the magic allowing him to lift Mjolnir so he would think that the hammer was judging him worthy. HYDRA!Cap at his core believes he's the good guy, so feeding him the lie that the allies cheated and tried to mindwipe him would help ease any doubt he had.

The "Nazis won but the Allies changed it" might go to explain why Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act and Godwin's Law of Time Travel are tropes-reality is just trying to return to normal. I honestly like the time travel idea that the "main" or "original" timeline is an improvement on the actual original timeline

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Jul 14th 2018 at 5:58:02 AM

Resurrecting this. Has anyone read Ta-Nehisi Coates's Cap run? The man has been tapped to write a Superman film, and I'm interested in how he takes on the Ideal Hero "truth justice and American way" aspect.

I feel like they tried too hard to make Captain Hydra have some sort of point. "The Allies won because of time travel" isn't a bad thing when they are fighting Nazis. Certainly if this were Wolfenstein, BJ would be ALL about altering the past.

Of course that was the problem of Secret Empire at its heart.

We were all onboard for punching Nazis but not enough Nazi punching was happening. That and America siding with Hydra now feels Harsher in Hindsight.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 27th 2021 at 6:16:24 AM

...But none of that happened in the Coates run. Yes, he's exploring the fallout, but he himself didn't write Secret Empire.

Edited by Aleistar on Feb 27th 2021 at 10:41:44 AM

Coates also killed off Captain Hydra in a pretty humiliating manner and that alone makes his run worth the read, IMO.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 27th 2021 at 8:11:20 AM

As for the WWII thing, "History of the Marvel Universe" was released in 2019, and made some references to it: Captain America, the Winter Soldier, the Invaders, Red Skull, Baron Zemo, Namor, etc. But, as for the war itself, the only aspect of it that deviates from the historical version of the events (besides the presence of superheroes and supervillains) is the way Hitler dies. There's no such a thing of a Nazi victory followed by a cosmic rewrite of events.

I was talking about the Secret Empire not Coates.

But yes, I actually was interested in Captain Hydra as a character. I think people were sick of him by that point, though. Mind you, I wanted Falcon to be the one to beat the shit out of the Green and Yellow Spangled Man.

coates captain america feels really disconnected from the rest of marvel and also not really about captain america at all. It feels like sharon and her illuminauti of marvel females has gotten more focus

So, anyone been following the Cold War event? Thoughts?