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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#168551: May 12th 2024 at 2:27:17 AM

Speaking of Thor, George Miller said in an interview that he would be interested in directing Thor 5. That would be an interesting choice. Just as long as he’s given a good script (or at least a minimalistic one).

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#168552: May 12th 2024 at 5:06:25 AM

Disney Reveals ‘Doctor Strange 2’ Cost More To Make Than ‘Avengers 2’

Fun fact. $414.9 million is actually a higher budget than Avatar 2: Way of water.

Though the UK give a 25% reimbursement if the film is shot in the UK. So the total is actually $350.6 million. Which is still incredible.

Edited by miraculous on May 12th 2024 at 5:09:34 AM

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#168553: May 12th 2024 at 8:13:25 AM

The logic that characters don't become disposable the moment the story is done with them is equivalent to saying characters should never die ever?

No, it isn't. I was a bit drunk at the time of posting that, and didn't really read/think what you said all the way through.

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#168554: May 12th 2024 at 8:29:36 AM

George Miller could totally do Thor. Enough has been written about the thematic spectacle of Fury Road but Three Thousand Years of Longing shows that he is interested in musing about the weight of mythology.

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#168555: May 12th 2024 at 8:32:31 AM

[up]x3 So it barely broke even?

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#168556: May 12th 2024 at 8:38:55 AM

[up][up] I have no doubt that George Miller would be interested in Thor, and would bring a lot of ideas to the table. But he's very much an auteur, and Marvel is getting really bad with its Executive Meddling lately. I don't trust the studio not to butcher his vision.

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#168557: May 12th 2024 at 9:18:42 AM

[up][up]Nah it did alright. 955.8 million is alright on a 350 million dollar budget. It's at least way over the 2,5 rule.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#168558: May 12th 2024 at 11:52:27 AM

Were they intentionally budgeted to that amount does it say? I can't remember where but I think I read that having to film and re-film in the pandemic made costs grow a lot.

Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#168559: May 13th 2024 at 5:57:50 AM

“Guardians 3 did end with a splash screen that said THE LEGENDARY STAR LORD WILL RETURN.”

Going for something more bombastic than just STAR-LORD WILL RETURN but then putting it over sounds of him eating cereal with his granddad makes it unclear how serious that was.

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Goku Black
#168560: May 13th 2024 at 6:11:08 AM

I hoenstly can see rocket coming back. But everyone else is unlikely.

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168561: May 13th 2024 at 7:19:32 AM

[up][up] I mean, it was obviously played as a joke. But they literally said he will return.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#168562: May 13th 2024 at 9:33:40 AM

Disney Reveals ‘Doctor Strange 2’ Cost More To Make Than ‘Avengers 2’

I could see that. I could see all the Dr. Strange movies being more expensive than the average film in general. They're extremely CGI and effects heavy in a way most of the MCU isn't.

Avengers 2 has a CGI character for a villain, but otherwise its effects are largely practical and maybe most of its budget went to things like casting.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 13th 2024 at 9:34:08 AM

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#168563: May 13th 2024 at 9:53:26 AM

[up] Indeed. Bringing back Patrick Stewart isn't something you can do with chump change.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 13th 2024 at 9:53:34 AM

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#168564: May 13th 2024 at 9:57:48 AM

There was a brief new announcement about the Agatha show. Another new title:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0364_5.jpeg

They took it down, of course. All I know for sure is that it reminds me of the first Owl House episode.

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#168565: May 13th 2024 at 9:59:36 AM

Okay, I'm officially convinced that the Agatha show constantly changing titles really is a joke/marketing gimmick. There's no chance in hell something that ridiculous would be an actual show name.

Which now ironically makes me a bit more interested in what this could be about, even if I still think it's weird and unnecessary.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 13th 2024 at 10:02:31 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#168566: May 13th 2024 at 11:53:45 AM

I really want them to do a thing where every single episode of the show has features a completely different title.

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#168567: May 13th 2024 at 1:48:34 PM

Have the other names been references to literature and I just haven't noticed? Because this one is obviously a reference to The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe.

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#168568: May 13th 2024 at 2:05:53 PM

It’d be funny if all the episodes titles are the constantly switched names they had. “It was definitely a thing we planned all along”

Edited by M1gamiTensei on May 13th 2024 at 2:06:30 AM

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
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#168569: May 13th 2024 at 2:10:04 PM

I saw online that one of the titles is supposedly a reference to Mare of Easttown. Having watched the show myself, I can't find any connection to it, other than the fact that Evan Peters was in that show and WandaVision.

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#168570: May 13th 2024 at 2:10:26 PM

I think that all or most have been references to other works, of various degrees of obviousness—but not necessarily all to literature.

For example, "Darkhold Diaries" may be a reference to "The Vampire Diaries", while I'd guess that "House of Harkness" might reference "The Fall of the House of Usher".

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on May 13th 2024 at 11:10:50 AM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168571: May 13th 2024 at 2:55:08 PM

[up][up] There was a leaked photo from the set, and the director's chair said "Agnes of Westview".

I'm 10,000% sure that it's going to have a different name and probably gimmick every episode.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#168572: May 13th 2024 at 5:55:05 PM

In which case, I wonder what title it'll display as on Disney+, or if they'll fiddle with the code so it lists the show as a different title each time you open the app.

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#168573: May 13th 2024 at 7:46:52 PM

It'll probably just be Agatha, with the unique names just episode titles and nothing else.

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#168574: May 13th 2024 at 7:55:32 PM

...Man, I really hope they don't have Scarlet Witch actually killed off, and that she's able to finally debut in high octane action again. They finally gave her a worthy comic accurate outfit, only to just then have her destroy herself?

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#168575: May 14th 2024 at 12:35:47 AM

I remember the ideas for mutant society to already to exist in the MCU is Professor X mindwiping people of mutant existence. Then I had the funny thought that you could use it retcon so much. Maximoff parents? Mindwiped to forget theyre Magneto’s kids. Them not doing anything in in Endgame? Mutants were there and Xavier mindwiped their presence. The entirety of Secret Invasion? Boom, mindwiped.

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