DEATH BATTLE

I don't play Overwatch but as long as Junkrat and Roadhog aren't mortal enemies, I don't see why not. The big guy/little guy boisterous thing is neat.

Who would win?

Edited by FOFD on Apr 20th 2024 at 11:03:13 AM

I want to hear more about the Neighbor's shapeshifting and invincibility. Like... whaaa? If the invincibility is just like, mercy invincibility in a video game then I don't know if that would count. If we bring gameplay mechanics into it then the Neighbor probably loses just because they take one step outside and due to a glitch they immediately fly several hundred feet diagonally into the air and crash-land in a pond somewhere.

Junkrat and Roadhog are BFFs, there's no discernible reason for them not to fight as a duo, it would be nice. I've thought of Ryu & Ken VS Liu Kang and Kung Lao before. I think Kung Lao probably beats Ken, but the sight of Ken dying causes Evil Ryu to come out and hit Kung Lao with the Raging Demon, and then it would just become a 1v1 again, so not much point to the whole duo fight anyway.

The last time they statted out a SF vs MK fight, they skewed the scaling of Street Fighter a fair amount higher than Mortal Kombat, with Scorpion winning mostly because yadda yadda Netherrealm shenaniganas.

Ken's another Street Fighter character who's tricky to find a good gauge of power for. He's weaker than Ryu, but one of the stronger member of the cast overall, for whatever that's worth.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 20th 2024 at 3:02:03 AM

I know most people didn’t like Akuma VS Shao Kahn, but you didn’t have to forget it even happened.

Wanna hear a fucking weird match-up a friend of mine likes to share?

Marisa Kirisame vs. Black Mage Evilwizardington

Squishy wizards who forgo any sort of strategy in favor of raw firepower, prone to theft and violence and both have a signature technique that's a laser beam powered by love: Marisa's love for money and Black Mage's love of people around him (almost like how electronics are powered by electricity. My friend even references this quote from 8-Bit Theatre: "I'm unsure exactly how much I use up with each, but I'm made to understand the divorce rate spikes every time I use it").

He admits Marisa could probably take it because Touhou gets nutso, but honestly, it's a fun MU regardless.

Edited by Witherbrine98 on Apr 20th 2024 at 6:56:30 AM

So I got done reading "Watchmen" Comic. Jesus christ man.

The more I think about it, and despite it being more of a glance in their info, Wouldn't Rorschach's best opponent be V from "V for Vendetta"?

Both are known for their extreme methods for their sense of justice.

Both are very much right to be feared by both sides, good and bad. Like you understand what they are going for, but when they are called either a Lunatic Psycho or even a Terrorist, it's not exactly wrong either.

Both wear an iconic mask that is their identity with or without.

and for spoilers, Don't look if you don't want it Their deaths wouldn't stop their cause, as they already laid the ground works to keep their words alive.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Apr 21st 2024 at 7:05:04 AM

That's... actually perfect. I've seen them tossed around with other opponents, ranging from anything from The Punisher to Dexter Morgan, but they both seem like a perfect match for each other. I imagine the extremely political nature of their characters would make analysis a little awkward - looking at Alan Moore characters through the lens of a VS Debate is kind of like judging the Mona Lisa based on how hot you think she is - but it's still close and interesting.

My gut says V takes it because his final fight, shrugging off dozens of machine gun bullets thanks to his handy bulletproof vest and then slaughtering a small army (well, twelve guys) before they can reload, is a lot more impressive than Rorschach successfully escaping from like, three cops, and then being captured when he tries and fails to fight off five or six of them. That said, V sustains fatal wounds in his fight, whereas Rorschach - despite being pretty anti-social and unfriendly - is trying to avoid dishing out any fatal wounds. Rorschach is also much better at improvising weapons and strategies, and has way more experience. I would be betting V, rooting Rorschach.

So would it be Movie versions of Rorschach and V or the Comics iteration? There are a few differences. Comics Rorschach has cracked a door open with a kick, pried through a chain-link fence. Effortlessly break locks with only a casual shove, casually knock out people with singular hits, and has taken down six men at once.

Comics V can overpower about three trained guards all at once and punctured a hole through a man's torso with a finger. He's likely faster but probably not by much as both their best Feats for speed is outpacing cops and the likes.

With all that said, realistically the fight is unlikely to ever become a physical confrontation with the slight Speed difference and V's preference for avoiding upfront fights, so it would just be V throwing tear gas at Rorschach and then wait until he walks up and kills him while he's incapacitated.

9 times out of 10, Death Battle tends to use the original versions of combatants unless specifically stated (such as Super Friends Aquaman or Archie Sonic), so I imagine they would use the original comic book versions.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Apr 21st 2024 at 10:15:19 AM

I feel like there isn't a significant enough difference in the comic and film versions of V and Rorschach - from a strength, skill, speed, durability, etc, perspective at least - that you couldn't just use them both. And there was a very forgettable Watchmen game with Rorschach and Nite Owl that you could probably use too.

V just kinda blitzes Rorschach.

V: I'm not locked in here with you... you're locked in here with me!

Rorschach: Hey! That's my line! [gets beaten to a pulp]

One big advantage for V against Rorschach is the unlikelihood of V being even the slightest bit scared of Rorschach.

Rorschach always has the aura of a ticking time bomb where ever he goes, ready to blow up at any moment when he sees fit, and everyone in the room all come together to make sure it doesn't happen. He goes into a Bar, everyone is scared stiff because he's looking for someone who killed someone, he sees someone talking and goes to him, and breaks his finger. Everyone in the room is telling him they really don't know anything, and are begging him to leave the man alone, and this is a room likely filled with hooligans and worse.

V doesn't strike the type to fall for such tactics, he's basically a terrorist, one who is willing to blow up buildings to make a point against a terrible regime and will righteously go against it to the bitter end... but a terrorist nonetheless. V has committed far worse atrocities than Rorschach, and he's done some sick things, you understand why sometimes, but still. V is simply more mentally together compared to Rorschach, who will lose it if he knows he's losing, like getting set up and arrested or when Dr. Manhattan ready to kill him before he exposes the plot in the end.

V is a superhuman in a sense that he might as well be a prime fit human being. Rorschach has the bad mentality of Punisher, but the body of a regular human.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Apr 21st 2024 at 8:48:00 AM

I don't think V blitzes when they've both never done anything that approaches superhuman. Well... I mean, V has that "You'll all be dead before you've reloaded" fight, and Rorschach jumped out of a five-storey window and not only did he sustain zero lasting injuries, in the film version he even gets up and continues to fight some cops before he's restrained. He also has a pretty nifty grappling hook pistol. V carries out 'greater atrocities', but with more planning and they involve less of a physical effort on his part. Rorschach has also been an active vigilante for twenty-five years.

Rorschach seems like a more skilled and experienced fighter overall, but V has a bulletproof vest and lots of throwing knives.

I brought up the difference because for V, his feat of managing to hold out after being shot by dozens of machine-gun fire and then slaughtering all twelve shooters before they can reload; only happens in the Movie.

I'd say we should count that not only because it's his most impressive feat, but also... he doesn't really have much else to go on. He fights some other people, but only one or two, usually by taking them by surprise, and they're never particularly competent. And when you consider the giant bulletproof chestplate he has under his cloak for that fight, and the fact that he still dies afterwards from the injuries sustained from that gunfire, then while it's more impressive than anything Rorschach has done, it isn't superior by a factor of hundreds, or tens, or... single digits, really.

It is undeniably an advantage to V, since Rorschach doesn't have any kind of body armor; although he does take being stuck in Antarctica in his regular clothes surprisingly well. And he probably holds a firm edge in combat pragmatism, fighting dirtier and utilizing the environment more, while V's campaign is carefully plotted and planned all the way through. Neither of them have that one magic 'ten times stronger, a hundred times faster' feat, but I think Rorschach's twenty-five years as a vigilante is the biggest advantage in this fight. With that résumé, it would take more than just a bulletproof chestplate to neutralize him

I think this would be a very close and interesting fight, but one that Death Battle would probably never get to.

Had one of those half-awake 3am thoughts that could be a stroke of genius or the worst idea since the Cybertruck. Scratch that, it's not that bad. Worst idea since the Juicero, then.

Cruella De Vil VS Mrs Tweedy

Both cruel and sadistic villainous women from children's films who target - and are repeatedly outsmarted by - a group of animals. Both backed up by oafish, incompetent and slightly more sympathetic henchmen (Horace and Jasper, Mr Tweedy) and both suffer karmic Humiliation Congas which give them surprisingly crazy durability.

So that durability; Cruella is catapulted upwards out of a skylight window and lands in pig muck, and is fine. And in 102 Dalmatians, which everyone rightfully forgets, she falls into a vat of dough and ends up baked into a giant cake, which should definitely have boiled her alive but didn't. In Chicken Run, Mrs Tweedy slams into a billboard while holding onto a plane, falls into a pie making machine, which then causes a boiling gravy explosion, and then the door falls on her (actually it's pushed, I always remembered it just falling on her but no, Mr Tweedy just adds insult to injury and shoves the door onto her; brutal,) and she's still fine, and in the sequel she's coated with breadcrumbs and cooked like a big chicken nugget, and again, is fine. I feel like if you math the math, the 'baked into a cake' thing would give you a way higher durability because of the heat and the duration, but the point is, they've both survived similar food-based karmic shenanigans.

Cruella potentially has an advantage thanks to the bizarrely-conceived sympathetic origin movie with Emma Stone, where she makes a dress that can function as a parachute and fakes her death, but Mrs Tweedy firmly takes the win by... actually having strength and speed feats. As well as using an axe frequently enough that it should be considered part of her arsenal, she's fast enough to catch up with a speeding lorry (driven by chickens, because of course) get onto the roof somehow, and after a few axe-swipes, is able to rip part of the roof off with her bare hands. And then she's drop-kicked by a zip-lining chicken into a moat filled with duck security drones, which explode.

Now, on the one hand, this is an incredibly stupid idea for a match-up. But on the other hand...

...

Yes.

We're about to see an old woman die in a hit-and-run.

I have been informed that in Cruella, she has a mandatory 'beating up the Baroness' bodyguards in high heels' scene to really emphasize that she is cool and relatable now, so she actually holds a clear skill advantage against Tweedy. That said, they're still both so comically durable that their attacks would do basically no damage to each other, unless, say, one of them was wielding an axe.

So a character who knows how to fight but has less impressive stats against a character who is never shown knowing how to fight, but has a strength and speed advantage, and is armed.

Cruella in the original film isn't necessarily all that old. She's supposed to be about the same age as Anita (the were schoolmates), despite looking like she's about a week from aging into a skeleton.

It must be the sheer volume of Smoking Cruella does, lol.

I was talking about Mrs. Tweedy.

Cruella, let's look at her implied feats

Fear manipulation. Though it could backfire if they aren't scared of her with the implication "no evil thing will."

Cryo manipulation, obviously.

Illusions, illusion-casting.

Pretty sure she's affecting reality just by existing.

/s

Cruella has mind-control magic in Once Upon a Time, so she's got that as an edge.

Oh my god ONCE UPON A TIME being called upon for feats. YES!

Unfortunately I never made it to the Cruella season.