Compulsory eugenics

Martin Luther having OCD is one I hadn't heard before...

If I'm asking for advice on a story idea, don't tell me it can't be done.

Whereas I haven't heard the one about Einstein being AS.

Da Rules excuse all the inaccuracy in the world. Listen to them, not me.

It Is one thing to choose to have kids or to continue a pregnancy knowing there is a reasonable possibility they will share your disability.

It's another to go to extreme lengths such as actively screening embryos to intentionally ensure that your child grows up to be physical disadvantage.

If they could hear I would be ringing them up rigth now simplly to insult them because of it.

edited 27th Apr '11 1:56:43 PM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

His great attention to detail and little tolerance for mistakes and inaccuracy probably led to his complaints.

If you don't like a single Frank Ocean song, you have no soul.

"It Is one thing to choose to have kids or to continue a pregnancy knowing there is a reasonable possibility they will share your disability.

It's another to go to extreme lengths such as actively screening embryos to intentionally ensure that your child grows up to be physical disadvantage."

Do you feel the same way about the other scenario? That it's not OK to deliberately screen out a disability?

If I'm asking for advice on a story idea, don't tell me it can't be done.

I would be lying if I said I am comfortable with the implications with it, but parents have a reasponsibility to see that their childern have the best possible opportunity in life and not to intently cripple their development.

Just wondering what did everyone tell the pregnant chick to do in Mass Effect?

edited 28th Apr '11 3:15:43 PM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

"I would be lying if I said I am comfortable with the implications with it, but parents have a reasponsibility to see that their childern have the best possible opportunity in life and not to intently cripple their development."

But there are many opportunities in life. Who gets to pick which are the best?

Imagine you have a Deaf person (with a capital D, meaning participating in Deaf culture). This person values Deaf culture very highly. They see how hearing kids with Deaf parents end up somewhat caught between Hearing and Deaf culture, while Deaf of Deaf are in the center of the culture and well-respected by other Deaf people. If their child is deaf, he/she will have the best opportunity to participate in Deaf culture. Given that participating in Deaf culture is something they value highly, why shouldn't they act in such a way as to ensure their child has the best chance of doing so?

If I'm asking for advice on a story idea, don't tell me it can't be done.

"the best" is too subjective. Instead, I'd go with "the most".

Is that the only culture they value? Does it not matter to them that being in the center of Deaf culture requires a permanent physical impairment that hinders one's ability to function outside of that particular subculture?

Given the topic at hand, it's a choice between participation in that subculture and not being alive at all.

Belief or disbelief rests with you.

You can't just hold existence up as some sort of prize that the child should be grateful for regardless of scenario.

hashtagsarestupid

^ OK, I have a disagreement on basic principles with you, then. Because I think you can. If a person is anything less than 100% miserable all the time, I feel they derive a certain benefit merely by existing.

If I'm asking for advice on a story idea, don't tell me it can't be done.

And how many of these beneficiaries do we have room for in addition to the current seven billion?

Eric,

About a few billion times less sex. Why do you ask?

Ugh, not an abortion topic, Usht...

I really don't believe someone should be judged based on their perceived abilities and disabilities at birth, since they're also more than capable out growing to be their own very useful individual.

edited 29th Apr '11 4:50:04 PM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Parenthood is a responsibility not a right, as your child's Guardian' you have the duty ensure that you your child has the opportunities in life to form their own development and path in life.

If you can't accept a child that's born different from you and doesn't conform to the values of your insular community you have no business reason raising kids.

edited 29th Apr '11 5:19:59 PM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

Oh, certainly, it's completely unreasonable to judge anyone for conditions arising from their birth or upbringing. It is, however, perfectly fair to judge their parents for every one of those conditions they were a deciding factor in. That must include having freely chosen to bring a cripple into the world in lieu of raising an existing child, a decision I find quite fair to heap scorn on.

Eric,

Well, that makes it easy— not being born in the first place is the best choice. If a person is anything less than 100% content all the time, I feel they derive certain harm merely by existing.

But then what if you're happy 51% of the time and unhappy 49% time? That's 2% profit but still worth killing yourself over? Granted, life won't be great, but it's at least middle road.

It's almost like a chunk of happiness is a worth a penny and a chunk of happiness is worth a dollar in that case, which,m well, doesn't make much sense. Plus, unless your ability to be happy is the part that's disabled, then we can't fully know how happy or sad that person will be and he or she may be more than capable of being completely happy despite not being up to "standard" (which can be its own source of bullshit).

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

It's slightly terrifying how often eugenics topics come up on this forum.

Then you probably died young of some sort of brain lesion that made you abnormally happy.

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^{I'm talking about the choice of whether to create a new life, not whether to end one that already exists. The details of the respective situations are insufficiently analogous.}

With regards to the choice of whether to create a new life, if the best you can guarantee your offspring is a 2% profit, you're doing them a disservice by creating them.

You honestly feel this way? You are seriously taking the position that no one's life is worth living and everyone would be better off dead?

Belief or disbelief rests with you.

I dunno if he said nobody, I mean, I'm sure we can definitely say whether a person's life will statistically feature significantly greater happiness than sadness, and make accurate decisions based on this data.

The position which I am seriously taking is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism. I am always honest about my feelings here. I hate sarcasm.

Note that I am talking about the choice of whether to create a new life, not whether to end any lives that already exist.

edited 30th Apr '11 12:41:54 AM by Tongpu

Who's being sarcastic?

In any case, I see.

The writings of bored teenagers are nothing to lose sleep over. You should only start worrying about it when you hear it from people of actual importance or maybe Congress.

edited 30th Apr '11 1:22:48 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

Thank you, that is a good reminder.