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How about an Earthworm Jim graphic novel? Written and drawn by its creator Doug Tennapel.

edited 4th Apr '11 5:29:52 AM by Theoriginalblader

Preview for Amazing Spider-Man 661. Spider takes up teaching Avengers Academy and some of the student make some Lampshade Hanging on superhero ethics.

Can anyone recommend me some good TP Bs? All I have is the AF 1+first 10 issues of Amazing, "The Essential Spider-Man Volume 3," and the Amazing Spider-Man "Civil War" TPB (the one with Captain America's speech).

Wizard Magazine's Spider-Man Masterpiece Edition is a compliation of some of the best Spidey stories from The '80s. One Small Break is a great story from last decade. And The entirety of the Stan Lee & Steve Ditko run is a must, of course. Shouldn't be too hard to find trades of those.

edited 18th May '11 9:07:37 PM by DrFurball

This Spider Island story arc seems to be borrowing a lot from the Clone Saga.

Well aside from the Jackal and his usual cloning antics, most of the story is focused on the chaos that happens when everybody gets super powers. Granted the tie-ins do a great job of elaborating upon that. The Punisher chapter from the Spider Island: I love New York mini was great.

Well there's also the giving everyone spider powers thing which is vaguely similar to the Jackel's odd clone saga scheme to make everyone into Peter Parker clones. Vaguely similar and yet somehow much, much less ridiculous. So now you can have hundreds of people swinging around in Spider-Man outfits with there being confusion about who the real one is without it being completely silly.

Also, Kaine's back, or rather, checking up on his profile, he's been pottering around for a while. And the Scarlet Spider Hoody is back. Except they're going to burn it.

Yeah, Kaine has been back since the Gauntlet story started running and actually played a big role in The Grim Hunt.

Personally the Jackal's antics look to me more of a lead in to the true mastermind behind this, who is somehow stuck up with the whole Web of Fate/Life?/Other Cool words thingy.

Say, is this the thread for how Dan Slott is a smug, hypocritical ass-kisser? Seriously, Dan, ad hominem? He must be one of the least pleasant comic creators I've encountered, along with Moore and Byrne.

I don't see the problem with Dan Slott's posts in that thread?

Ever since BND, there has been a group of fans shitting on everything Spidey because they can't get over OMD.

I don't like the retcon either, but for fucks sake. It happened three years ago. It's time to stop bitching about it, and just enjoy the comics we have now, because they're actually pretty good.

That was some fairly hilarious reading. And much schadenfreude was had that day.

So then you don't see the hypocrisy of attacking (with personal insults, no less) "whiny fans" who can't get over a development from four years ago while defending a whiny fan who couldn't get over a development from twenty years ago?

Dan Slott really should have left it. I mean, there is some irony in him complaining about people wasting time complaining about comics when he's spending time responding to those complaints and with basically the same rebuttals. Especially since according to him, he should be working on scripting.

But I only got to page ten before I hit my schadenfreude cap for the day.

I know what I'd do about Slott an his ilk if I were a Spider-writer. Remember that time Mysterio was empowered by Hell? Remember how that was never mentioned again? Well, I'd bring that little development back, say Mysterio was working for Mephisto, and that the events of One More Day were nothing more than a mass hypnosis complements of Beck's Hell-powers. Nice little retcon, nobody gets hurt.

"I don't see the problem with Dan Slott's posts in that thread?"

Yes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with calling people whiny and implying they're dicks.

The fact that people are STILL bitching about OMD is disturbing. If you have such deep, personal issues with what happens in a comic book, why don't you do something productive and try to break into the industry instead of crying on the internet? Yeah, I wasn't happy with it either, but you know what? I got over it. The current stories are some of the best there have been in years (getting rid of JMS' "Spider-Totem" crap alone justifies OMD in my eyes).

Quesada didn't "get over it" for twenty years. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad.

edited 5th Sep '11 4:54:37 PM by HamburgerTime

If people are still "whining" about a particulare story even though it's five years old, that implies that here may be something wring with that story.

And really, I don't care if Slott's writing is Kraven's Last Hunt-caliber. I'm not buying comics from someone who obviously thinks so little of me.

To be fair, it seemed more jovial than mean spirited when he called them that, but I can see how that'd offend some people.

On the whole, 4 year vs 20 year plot point... The difference is that Joe Q didn't just throw his hands up and give up on Spider-man once Peter and MJ got married.

That's the difference. Joe Q didn't let something he disliked (Peter and MJ) ruin spider-man for him, which is what a lot of people are doing with OMD.

It's like Slott said in the thread; there's going to be a plot point you don't like. That just happens. Whether it be a retcon or a twist or whatever. You just gotta look past it, and move on to the next issue, because Spider-man can still be fantastic, even with all the silly plot twists and dumb retcons.

You know, JMS's original proposal for OMD was actually pretty interesting. It would've been a complete Continuity Reboot of Spidey canon, without Timey Wimey Balls or any sort of weird explanation like that, beginning from the point where Norman stopped being the Green Goblin for the first time. In the proposal, Peter helps the Osborns with their troubles, and Norman's sanity returns. Everything else non-Goblin related proceeds as it originally did (so Venom and Carnage and all of them are still there) but without Norman being evil there is nor was there ever any evil Harry, dead Harry, dead Gwen, marriage to MJ, robot parents, or Clone Saga.

Quesada rejected it on the grounds that it would kill thirty years of continuity.

edited 5th Sep '11 5:36:24 PM by HamburgerTime

@Wave: Praytell, what will your whining achieve? Seriously, tell me. I want to hear justification for the fandom acting like spoiled children. And don't say " the story will get fixed!". You and I both know that won't happen.

@Hamburger: So you whine and complain about a story that undid one aspect of the past thirty years of continuity (cutting out one plot point and the unnessecary complications from JMS in the 2000s), then praise an idea to delete one of the most iconic Spider-tales of all time? Look who's a hypocrite now.

Can you honestly not let this go? The level of maturity you show in handling something as trivial as a work of fiction that you didn't agree with makes me think that your life is so idyllically comfortable, you have to create problems to be upset about. Or maybe you just throw a fit over every minor inconveinience, I dunno.

edited 5th Sep '11 8:00:18 PM by 11Numb

Y'know, I really like Spider-Girl. I've been reading some of the digests and its just enjoyable.

edited 5th Sep '11 8:04:25 PM by Bocaj