The Wandering Geek
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Mainly, she looks too young to be a nuclear physicist. On top of that, her outfit makes her look more like Lara Croft than even a mere physicist, which would only make sense if the information that she was originally intended to be a Lara Croft esque bounty hunter is correct.
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I mean, I think it would be very interesting for Bond to have a love interest who turns out to be the Big Bad that Bond would HAVE to kill.
That's a tragedy we haven't seen Bond deal with. I found it to be a very compelling part of the movie, but they had to chicken out a bit and give Bond a girl he could fuck so the story would have it's cake and eat it too.
I get that James Bond is wish fulfillment but sometimes him facing cold reality and loss is good for his character, it's why on her majesty's secret service is one of my favorite Bond movies.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 1st 2024 at 4:39:05 AM
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Ya if she was supposed to be a Lara Croft-like treasure hunter that just happens to have been caught in the middle of Elektra's theft of nuclear weapons it would make more sense given her attire and acting.
One of the Daniel Craig era's objectives is a more serious James Bond in a more serious and realistic universe. It's why they chose Casino Royale as his movie bec he had to deal w/ being betrayed by the Bond Girl there, Vesper, who also happened to be his first love and while he didn't kill her, he still had to watch her die. It's also poetic that No Time To Die is thematically a remake of On Her Majesty's Secret Service (even recycling that movie's theme song in key moments) except instead of his wife, Bond himself dies and his last words included "We have all the time in the world."
Meanwhile, Pierce Brosnan's tenure was the opposite, after the failure of Dalton's more serious Bond, Eon Production went back to the drawing boards for a more traditional James Bond and Brosnan's era was that return to basics.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 12:47:24 PM
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Yeah, but Goldeneye still had that drama there with Bond being betrayed by his friend who is the actual main villain.
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The drama is quite superficial though, especially since we hardly knew Alec before appearing as the Big Bad.
The world is not Enough, was interesting in that the Big Bad is a woman, (there were other henchwomen and Femme Fatale types but never a Big Bad)
I still prefer Goldeneye though
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Dalton's two movies were deeper than Brosnan, and I prefer them over Craig's era.
Edited by jawal on Jan 31st 2024 at 10:01:20 AM
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To be honest, License to Kill was still pretty good in its own way, Robert Davi as the Big Bad Sanchez was great, his henchman played by Benicio Del Toro was fantastic as well not to mention their deaths were some of the better villain deaths, and Carey Lowell as the Bond Girl was both attractive, competent and was good in her role. It just so happened that critics and other viewers didn't like how different it was from the usual Bond fare and it apparently wasn't successful enough that Eon Productions either decided to replace Dalton afterwards or Dalton quit being Bond.
World Is Not Enough is also the 1st Bond film that had M do more than just be mission control. In fact, Elektra has more history w/ M than she does w/ Bond in that film's backstory and Elektra's only ties w/ Bond is thru M.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 1:06:55 AM
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That's why I feel if they went all in with Elektra being Bond's love interest but ultimately the main villain and cut out Halloween Bob, the movie would have been the best of Brosnan's tenure.
I still think golden eye is the best but I enjoyed most of Brosnan's run. Except Die another day.
It had a cool sword fight tho.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 31st 2024 at 5:05:27 PM
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Funny thing about Die Another Day is that it also was supposed to act as a pilot for Halle Berry's Bond Girl Jinx (and she is one of the most attractive Bond Girls) since her backstory is being the CIA's equivalent to James Bond. The problems arose when the film itself flopped and Halle Berry later starred in Catwoman w/c sank her star power. As for the film itself, the movie's theme song by Madonna was 1 of the worst James Bond theme songs and it's hard to take the Big Bad there seriously when he started wearing 2002-era powered armor. And Bond surfing a tidal wave was 1 of the fakest CGI scenes in 2002.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 1:10:38 AM
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Do you remember when he was just racing his car through the fucking ice hotel while being chased by a laser beam?
It was at that moment when the movie lost me.
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But then when Bond kill her, he will end up the movie alone, this is not something that happen in Brosnan, Connery or Moore eras.
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So? He can go one movie without banging a chick. It worked well in Casino Royal. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
The world was not ready for Craig era yet.
In her Majesty Secret Service he end up alone too, because his wife died.
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Yeah, like I said, Bond getting hit with a tragedy in the right doses between wish fulfillment can be very compelling stuff.
It's why I enjoyed that movie.
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He still had sex w/ Vesper in Casino Royale. But pre-Craig and most importantly pre-Jason Bourne and pre-Austin Powers you don't mess w/ the Bond formula. The Daniel Craig era was only possible bec of Jason Bourne showing that there is a market for serious spy thrillers w/o the sex and bec of Austin Powers threatening to pull an Airplane! on the entire franchise. And w/ regard to Jason Bourne, that may only have been possible bec of 9/11.
In fact, right now there's been zero news on who the new James Bond will be but there are speculations and rumors that the new Bond may no longer be a white man or even male at all. They have tested the waters in No Time To Die by having James work w/ the new 007 who is a black woman and she was treated as both his equal and not another Bond Girl. And considering that James Bond was always seen as a symbol of British power.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 1:29:46 AM
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Okay, lemme rephrase that then a bit to make my intent clearer, sure he can bang a girl but it's not totally out of the question to have him end up alone at the end of the movie I feel.
On her majesty's secret service did it great, and so did Casino Royal.
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Oh ok. Got it. That made more sense. Across the entire franchise, only 3 women impacted Bond emotionally. That'd be Vesper, his 1st wife Tracy and his last wife Madeleine who also happened to be the 1st recurring Bond Girl since Sylvia Trench in Dr No and From Russia With Love (she was supposed to be Bond's recurring love interest but the studios decided against it from Goldfinger onwards).
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 1:35:22 AM
Regarding Brosnan's era, my personal favorite is Tomorrow Never Dies both bec of Michelle Yeoh and bec the Big Bad there, Elliott Carver, is literally Rupert Murdoch. It's also become more appropriate years later given the damage done by partisan news media like Fox News and nearly most of conservative British media (w/c are almost all owned by Murdoch) and even non-Murdoch media like Breitbart.
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Ah yeah, he aged quite well, I gotta say, I always thought that scene where he casually brags about spreading fake news about mad cow disease because he felt spiteful towards a butcher to be pretty establishing.
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since her backstory is being the CIA's equivalent to James Bond.
Correction, Jinx is NSA.
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CIA has really bad PR anyway.
Funnily enough, I heard one reason they kept recasting Felix was to prevent him from overshadowing Bond.
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Well, you can thank Jack Lord for that because he wanted to be paid a higher salary and get co-billing with Sean Connery.
Every time someone claims to be realistic is a dour cynic in disguise.
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Which Felix was he?
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The very first one in Dr. No.
Every time someone claims to be realistic is a dour cynic in disguise.
While he lost the role, Jack Lord did get his own tv series later on in Hawaii Five-O as Mc Garrett.
Bec Bond needs to kill the Big Bad in the end and Elektra is the Big Bad of that film. Prior to The World is Not Enough, Denise Richards became a sex symbol via Starship Troopers (unlike Casper Van Dien, Clancy Brown, Michael Ironside and Neil Patrick Harris, she was not in on the joke that the movie was supposed to be a satire on fascism) and Wild Things. Her character, Christmas Jones, was a nuclear physicist but she did not sound and act convincingly like a nuclear physicist and her acting itself wasn't as good as Izabella Scorupco in Goldeneye and Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 12:36:40 PM