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Is his contract actually ending? I figured the whole thing was for storyline purposes.

edited 12th Jul '11 10:16:38 AM by Meeble

Okay, if you've been following Raw, and are not genre blind, then you know how this will end, even if Punk wins, someone will cash in Money in the Bank, and even if he wins that, someone else will cash in. its a Foregone Conclusion. Also, Punk's New Nexus is overrated, severely overrated. Wade Barret's Corre got the shaft, despite being the superior heel faction in every way possible(except spelling).

Honestly, Cider, that's also how I (and most internet fans, probably) thought it would go down. Guess that's what made the actual result such an effective swerve, then.

I really think the CM Punk angle is also a way to unify the world titles. I remember hearing that was a plan somewhere in the works which I think is a damn good idea. I just can't get behind the concept of having two of every championship. It just looks cheezy. But then I've never really cared for the brand split either.

I wouldn't mind the two titles if they were somewhat different. The World Heavy Weight Title was for heavy weights and the WWE title was all comers. Now that the cruiser weight belt is gone they are the same thing though. I actually liked Dolph's idea of just making the US/Intercontinental title the main one once the WWE title was gone. It'll still be obligatory main event belt.

I like the brand split though. Without it, No Primo, no JTG, no Masters, no Luke Gallows, no Luther Reigns. The last two left you say? Well the brand split was still the only way I could see them continue to improve after creative was done with them.

edited 1st Aug '11 12:29:30 AM by Cider

Well, one way or another, looks like Zack's finally getting his attention from the WWE.

What're everyone's impressions on this?

edited 29th Jul '11 7:50:35 PM by Loyal2NES

It's okay I guess.

Will the ROH bots now chant best in the world when Dos Caras comes out? HA! Summer Slam wasn't as predictable as most pay per views. What's with Mark Henry? Where was this push 10 years ago?

I have no idea. I'm so used to seeing him as joke that I just can't buy into this push, which is a shame since the booking has been fabulous.

Also, I am so high on Punk right now. I've been saying for so long that him feuding with Cena and pushed as a top star would be great. And it's turned out to be everything I ever wanted.

I really think they're setting Punk up to be the next Stone Cold. Then they headline Wrestle Mania 30 and everything is perfect.

Also, I am a wrestling fan above age 15 and I don't hate Cena. I think I'm broken.

edited 19th Aug '11 8:03:31 PM by Wagrid

Did you realize Randy Orton was trying to get Cheap Heat when he accidentally started that meme? I thought the fact that the "Lets Go Cena" chants were same pitch as the "Cena Sucks" chants at Wrestlemania 26, the grandest stage, would have discredited that but I overestimated the "smarks".

And the fact that "Cena sucks" is of a significantly lower pitch than "Let's go Cena" every single Raw and at Wrestle Mania 27 means absolutely nothing?

It's still pretty prevalent, hit the comments section of any wrestling website, they blame Cena for everything.

Sure they do. That doesn't make true that every wrestling fan over 12 must hate him if they aren't female and it's a meme I'm kind of sick of. If you hate John Cena go right on ahead, I can understand why most do but he still has male fans past puberty no matter how much it's denied. Randy said women and kids were his only fans for cheap heat, too many people took it as truth.

I mean Randy also said everyone who was at the age of twenty four and just now getting their own house was pathetic and that everyone who didn't look like him was disgusting. For whatever reason, those didn't know started spouting those like truth.(admittedly, it still didn't get him heel heat)

I'm having a really hard time caring about WWE Diva's Division right now. Beth and Natalya's "No More Splits" promo was obviously a Take That! at Melina's entrance(if it was about Kelly's character they would have mentioned something she actually does). I can't take any of this Diva Revolution talk seriously when I see how WWE fires and craps on their best worker. And what do Beth and Natalya have to whine for compared to Jillian or Gail, who didn't even get title shots at pay per view when they were clearly over enough run title runs of their own.

And what was with Smackdown's Tag Team match? Alicia Fox has been a vindictive, whiny, bullying, bitching bitch for years and WWE expects us to except her in a face team? We need time for that, at least have a promo explaining why she'd be okay teaming with a face, especially one like Kelly. It IS better now than 2005-2009 but only in the talent area, the diva's booking still sucks.

Mr. Perfect Jr shouldn't even be on TV, Kaval should. Maybe that will change now that he doesn't hold the belt anymore. Hopefully Kofi and Borne become something of a tag team but why give them the belts when the US Os are already an established team? Because WWE hates established Tag Teams, I forgot. On a happier note, I'm glad to see all the wrestling fans here.

Guess I should say something positive.

I'm glad everything that they got wrong with Kaval is going right with Daniel Bryan. I'm glad he overcame executive meddling and media watchdogs, I'm glad to see little guys making it in the WWE I'm glad to see he will headline wrestlemania.

If this is Mark Henry's last run them I'm glad he's finally escaped jobberdom. He deserved some kind of respectable run back in during the nation of domination days and he was almost a talent that went to total waste. This would be a nice way to cap off his career, with a world heavy weight title, if only for one night.

I'm glad CM Punk is still around. I can't even complain about the Draco in Leather Pants he's become considering he's been the victim of an even stronger case. I may not even agree with all his meta stuff but it has been awhile since we've had a real anti establishment character. Not some whiner or crazy with a conspiracy theory(not that there is anything wrong with those) but someone who really has beef with the boss and all he stands for. Cult of personality is really catchy too though it doesn't need the scratch at the start. They need to stop trying to make everyone's music like Stone Cold's or Undertaker's.

Oh crazies. R-Truth's anti Jimmy campaign is gold. Thank you for bringing Little Jimmy back into public consciousness.

I have utterly stopped giving a shit about any storyline on RAW.

Apparently we're in 2003, because all we get is endless Triple HHH segments, oh and he's feuding with Kevin Nash. Because that's something everyone wants to see.

I the whole divas storyline has died. They killed it's momentum when they had Beth Phoenix lose, twice. And as much as I like Natalya and Beth, there comes a point where you realise that they have literally nobody else to work with in the whole division. And I'm sick of Eve.

Fuck all the bullshit with JR. I don't want to see commentators feud, it's idiotic. Cole is a fucking hack. It's cringe worthy.

Laurenitis as GM? Utterly stupid. Crowds don't care about him. I don't care about him. Get him off my TV.

Zack Ryder still gets screen time, which is nice. And Dolph Ziggler continues to prove himself a consistent worker. The two of them could have a good feud over the US title, but WWE seem reluctant to pull the trigger on it.

Del Rio continues being forgettable as champion. Hopefully he drops the belt to Punk.

Del Rio has had good matches, isn't that memorable? True he's had some bad ones too but I think he deserves this title run after WWE forced him to unmask.

Eve and Beth had a pretty good match at Vengeance too, though with Kelly out of the way, and since they squashed Alicia, AJ and Kaitlyn that leaves...Tamina? Can someone remind me why WWE dropped Melina and Gail Kim? At this point all I can see happening is the Divas of Doom turning on each other because there is no one left to wrestle.

Michael Cole should be on one show and one show only. Want to reward loyalty? That's admirable though not as much as rewarding people who get over. Fans don't like Michael Cole and haven't since at least 2003. I'd pick Smackdown, limit Cole's TV time to there then have Josh and Booker drop the idiot ball and tell him to shut up. His arguments aren't that good, why must Good Is Dumb be in such strong force?

To Triple H all I can say is I hope R-Truth likes working with the Miz. I honestly thought he was doing fine by himself but I suppose them teaming up is logical. Don't see why anyone saw the need to use Kevin Nash again, I thought he had already served his role in this story. Triple H fired his best friend to prove his dedication to the job...next?

Del Rio is a decent worker, but his promos are dull. He has charisma, but he just cuts the same promo constantly. Punk is going to talk circles around him in the next couple of weeks.

They dropped Melina because of backstage stuff, and Gail Kim quit. Threw a big strop over not being on TV enough. The divas are are mess.

Rewarding loyalty is apparently not a concept they're familiar with. Since they still insist on humiliating JR for cheap heat. I'd stick him on Smack Down also, and make his character less obnoxious. Josh Matthews is actually decent and Booker is improving, but Cole spends the whole time trying to get his character over and just kills it.

I agree with your entire last paragraph whole heartedly. I don't like how they've taken Punk out of the storyline, since he started the whole thing. I enjoyed everything that happened over the summer, but it could have been much better if they took their time with it.

I forgot the Bellas, too bad they are heels. Alittle Jerkass vs Well-Intentioned Extremist could maybe help extend the Divas of Doom angle. There's also Maryse and Rosa but there's also a reason why those two rarely have matches. Maybe dust off Layla? Between her and the twins they might be able to stretch out something for another month. Then hopefully Karma can put things back on track.(This is why you don't drop the best active workers)

I'll admit Del Rio and Punk really haven't shown much chemistry on the microphone. Del Rio ignores all of Punk's Fourth Wall painting and Punk seems to have little grasp of Spanish. They could do better in the future though I think the best solution would just have Del Rio work the crowd and have a side feud with someone else Sin Cara, Jackson, ect while building toward his big match with Punk, who could also have one, with Vickie's posse or Tyson Kidd? Throw in some mixed tag team matches, run ins and brawls but little time actually done talking to each other?

Since Dibiase is at least a face now I'd have him feud with Del Rio.

I'm not a fan of the Bella's and Maryse got released. Layla is injured I think. They could do with raiding SHIMMER or some such, rather than just hiring more models.

I admit I'm a huge Punk mark, and love everything he says, but yeah their feud has yet to impress me. I maintain that Cena/Punk interacting, whether they're feuding or in an Enemy Mine situation is always great.

Del Rio could feud with Sin Cara, since they appear to be done with the two Caras angle. Since they will inevitably push him into the main event and Del Rio is already there it could give him that extra credibility.

I think they need to finally give Dolph Ziggler a main event push, have him drop the US title to Ryder, have him leave Vicky Guerrero and let him lose. He's charismatic, and good worker and in my opinion ready for the main event.

edited 29th Oct '11 6:04:59 PM by Wagrid

So basically Bobby Roode smashed a beer bottle over James Storm's head, and now James Storm has been bleeding from the face for the past week?

Dude's got stamina.

Anybody else find it amusing that the whole Kevin Nash/HHH feud is about Trips not putting Nash on TV when the whole storyline is likely a case of Triple H playing favourites and putting his friend on TV over younger talent?

Kevin Nash is apparently a case of over staying your welcome. Or maybe I just spend too much time chatting with bitter indy wrestlers but its not just fans who hold that opinion. Kevin believes the youth movement isn't the way? Fine but if he thinks he can help the booking he shouldn't be doing so on the active roster. Wrestlers, for some odd reason, rarely make good bookers and they do even worse when they insert themselves into the equation.

Maryse I wouldn't miss at all. Rosa looked promising on FCW but maybe she needs more time there? They could ask back Jillian or Melina and there is some talent in FCW, OVW and UPW, Shimmer is far from their only option but it really doesn't matter who they get if booking continues to be incompetent. Non wrestlers tend to be bad choices but Trish, Nidia, Michelle and dare I say Alicia Fox show that even they can get the job done, so long as they take the job seriously.

Add Miz to that list while you're at it but I really would rather see Daniel Puder on tv. That was half a decade, let it go? No, he had verbal Xpac heat yet they pushed him to the moon anyway. We haven't forgot that we didn't vote him to win Tough Enough, that he was Vince's handpicked choice shoved down our throat. People liked Kaval, where has Riley gone with twice the exposure of Kavel? Cena's due for an alignment change, a long term tag team or at least a change in card position. He sells the most merchandise despite the mixed reaction, wouldn't fixing the reaction maximize profit? This thing with Kevin Nash could have worked even but booking is terrible.

The end of the Slammy episode was glorious to say the least.

People keep talking about Triple H bringing in his buddy, but what shouldn't be forgotten is that Mc Mahon and Nash also have a great budding relationship. Vince has said Nash could come back anytime, because he knows he has a sense for the business. Just something to note that it may not have been solely Triple H administering a 'pass' into a top angle.

Also, CM Punk is golden. So is Ziggler, Sheamus and Barrett. I kind of wanted to gradually tune off wrestling what with Jericho, Michaels and Taker all having left or are on the verge of leaving, but the future is damn sure looking bright. Plus, I can't miss The Rock's last hurrah.

My god Raw was glorious last night. DAT Brodus Clay debut

Daniel Bryan's heel turn has been awesome, his ranting against the Big Show at the end of smackdom was great, and his promo on raw was great too, especially part where he said that he "really appreciated" that AJ told him that she loved him.

His character right now is pure gold, and I'm actually excited for the potential Show/Bryan/Henry triple threat at the rumble, and to see how Bryan escapes of that with the title.

edited 18th Jan '12 8:43:47 PM by shark33