Dragon Ball Multiverse

A curse on you puny mortals!

Baba?

Hmmm....

Would this be something Baba would do?

Well, being old does kind of suck.

Funny how she says voila in English but not in French.

I don't think voilà is used the same way as it is in English. And she does say vois, which comes from the same verb.

Probably.

Forgot about yesterday's strip:

You also sexually harassed 2732 women!

God dammit Roshi.

Dad!

I wonder why he was cut off?

Reading the comments, the one that I'm willing to guess will be the case is that if Goku actually took Gohan to Namek to use their Dragon Balls to revive everyone, that would be the dead interfering with the affairs of the living. Granted by that same token Goku shouldn't have been able to get involved when it became clear that more was going on during his one day pass, but it's possible that the Supreme Kai got involved there. I mean it's probably not and Toriyama was just playing fast and loose as usual, but it's a feasible answer at least.

Edited by Grahf on May 17th 2024 at 1:38:29 AM

Even if Goku can't get directly involved, it still seems like there should be plenty of work arounds. Like, King Kai could give the coordinates to new Namek and Gohan could get there the old fashion way. They should still have the ship that Goku took to get to Earth (during the original android saga) since that one never got blown up. Alternatively, Goku could teach Gohan instant transmission remotely. Alternatively, King Kai could get in touch with New Namek and ask them to make a wish since we know that they have dragon balls again.

Edited by Freshwater on May 17th 2024 at 3:32:45 AM

The dead must NOT interfere with the living

You know, I want to stop and talk about this for a moment. Of all the things Salagir and crew decided to interpret in the Dragon Ball world, I've always found the afterlife business the most...ludicrous.

Like in the case of the Future Timeline, there's not much you can really do about that, I get it. Toriyama kinda wrote himself into a corner there given there's so many ways the Androids could've been stopped still.

But it's so bizarre still to take the route of firmly saying the dead can't do anything to interfere in the world, said by BABA of all characters. Or even Yenma back in the old old Bojack special.

Cause like, canon directly contradicts that with Goku pep talking Gohan for the Father-Son Kamehameha

Really Baba.

You just do that stupid ass Rasberry taunt to a kid who's been left to fight against killer cyborgs on his own.

You interfere in the affairs of the living all the time when you revive people!

At least give Goku a chance to offer some advice that might help Gohan instead of just saying fuck you kid, you're on your own!

And it is true that Toriyama ignored a lot of possibilities that could have helped things in the future (King Kai probably could have helped a lot). That was the way he wanted the story though. And it was his choice.

Toriyama could probably have handwave'd it by saying the twins' rampage blew up Baba's place and the lookout so they couldn't use it as an option

I feel like Toriyama's/Toei's choice was probably the simplest and easiest. They didn't mention any of these possibilities (Baba, King Kai, etc) in the original special so the audience was just left to assume that they wouldn't work or didn't matter.

Once the writer starts mentioning these options, the audience feels more free to think about them. In turn, the writer now as to start providing explanation for why they won't work. In this case, there isn't really a good reason why King Kai or Baba wouldn't work so the whole thing comes across as unsatisfactory.

I think the best option would have been to just not mention them and focus on the character work between Roshi, Gohan, and some of the other survivors.

_________________ On a separate note, there is something kind of weird about having a confirmed afterlife that the characters know about and understand. Not wanting innocent people to suffer makes sense, but Gohan also knows that after they die, they will judged by a relatively fair and nice guy and experience paradise or hell. It kind of takes a bit of the sting away when Gohan talks about dying or about the horrors of the androids.

Edited by Freshwater on May 20th 2024 at 11:55:36 AM

Well Gohan did mention he's kinda okay with dying now.

I mean plenty of people who believe in Heaven in real life are just as invested at keeping people alive

True. But there is a big difference between hoping there is an afterlife and actually having undisputable evidence that the afterlife exists and works exactly like you expect it to.

I think what's weird to me is that Gohan's line at the end of the issue is supposed to be ominous and a sign that he's feeling hopeless. However, I feel like it's a weird way to frame the situation and a weird perspective for Gohan to have. If he defeats the androids, great. If he fails to defeat them, then at least he weakened them, he goes to heaven, and he sees his family. He also knows that all the good people that the androids kill will also go to heaven so the sting of failure should be reduced just a little bit.

So uhhh I know only broad stuff from this series like how it got Goku's mom wrong, Frieza's race being named Frost Demons, and Zen Buu.

What's the context of this?

Long story short, Vegeto is mad here because his universes version of Bra - the only fighter that Vegeto believes has the potential to match or outright defeat him given enough time and training - just admitted that she got mind controlled. He's already deemed her as a threat from a young age, something that the webcomic I'd personally argue didn't do a super great job of portraying, and to him having more slip-ups where she gets into an uncontrollable or antagonistic state is unacceptable.

What it comes off as is that he's being a dick to his daughter for getting mindfucked, because he is. There's dubiously valid reasons for his anger, but it's portrayed in the webcomic at least as him being in the wrong with it just a matter of him being so powerful in his own universe that no one can stop him.

I'll admit that's just my read on it, and it's also far from neutral.

Edited by Grahf on May 21st 2024 at 12:30:30 PM

I hear Bra/Bulla of this universe is a divisive character, some love her, and some hate her.

I'm just glad some version of Bulla actually gets to be a fighter, and doesn't look like a 10 year old in terrible clothing.

Vegeto in the comic is from an alternate universe where Vegeta and Goku never defused. Without any challenges and getting more disconnected with everyone in his universe, he's basically developed the worst aspects of Goku and Vegeta's respective personalities.

There are two versions of Bra in the comic. The one people most often are referring to is an alternative universe version from the same universe as Vegeto. She was basically born stronger than everyone in her universe except Vegeto. She has a huge superiority inferiority complex and a lot of pride which can rub people the wrong way especially since she gets a lot of screen time compared to other universes.

Wait, but shouldn't Vegeto defuse since that thing has an hour time limit?

This comic started years before that retcon.

I have heard this comic came before stuff like Beerus or Golden Freeza, but I could have sworn the 1 hour limit was in the original story.

Gotenks defused when absorbed by Super Buu.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 21st 2024 at 4:15:34 PM

The dance fusion has always had a time limit, but the Potara fusion was initially presented as permanent.