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| 10 | Sometimes, it's easy to ignore music from the favourite artist of a fandom that they perceive end up sucking. If this happens to an entire genre of music, it becomes a DeadHorseGenre. |
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| 12 | '''Note:''' Do not post examples of personal discontinuity. Examples should only be of groups of fandoms. |
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| 16 | * '''Music/HankWilliamsJr''': Once Williams began his southern rock-infused brand of country in the late 1970s, starting (most notably) with "Family Tradition," it soon became as though his earlier catalog of hits – conventional honky tonk and countrypolitan, and traditional country-styled covers of his father's songs – never existed. Bocephus' earlier career (which lasted right up until his mountain-climbing accident that nearly killed him) included two No. 1 hits, "All For the Love of Sunshine" and "Eleven Roses," both ballads and far different than his later material. |
| 17 | ** One of his older songs ("Hamburger Steaks, Holiday Inns") was performed by him and Music/KidRock on their ''CMT Crossroads'' special. Possibly to let people know that he does, in fact, have music much older than "Family Tradition". |
| 18 | * '''Music/RickSpringfield''': During the early- to mid-1970s, Springfield had a semi-successful career as a teen idol and folk-styled artist, even scoring a top 15 pop hit called "Speak to the Sky." Once he began his acting career on ''Series/GeneralHospital'' and completely overhauled his musical style to new wave and power pop – seen most notably on his 1981 hit "Jessie's Girl" and 1982's "Don't Talk to Strangers" – fans soon completely disregarded his earlier material. |
| 19 | * To '''Music/{{Boston}}''' fans, ''Third Stage'' was their final studio album. |
| 20 | * '''Music/TheBeeGees''': The Gibb brothers' "First" LP was actually their fourth - they released two prior albums as a local Australian act, "The Bee Gees Sing and Play 14 Barry Gibb Songs" and "Spicks & Specks." (They also recorded a wealth of material for a third LP, of which an acetate was pressed, but the disc was never released - at least, until all but two of its tracks appeared on an unauthorized German compilation, ''Inception/Nostalgia''.) |
| 21 | ** Likewise, the group universally ignores their 1981 album ''Living Eyes''. Due to legal issues surrounding the band at the time, as well as the huge backlash brought on by the end of disco, the album slipped quietly in and out of the marketplace without any attention whatsoever. Ironically, it was the first rock album to appear on CD - but its initial pressing would be its only CD edition. |
| 22 | ** And then for other fans, it is only their popularity peak – those songs released from 1975 to 1979, and included on their album ''Greatest,'' which helped define the disco era – that matters. Their ballad/close harmony sounds of the late 1960s-early 1970s, their slump during most of the 1980s and their 1990s return to conventional pop is completely disregarded as those fans think first of songs like "You Should Be Dancin'," "Stayin' Alive" and "Night Fever." |
| 23 | * Most people stop Music/PearlJam's ''Vitalogy'' after "Immortality," ignoring "Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me". |
| 24 | * A number of Music/{{KISS}} fans prefer to pretend there was never a time when the band performed without the makeup. Another group would like to throw [[DeadHorseGenre the disco album]] in there as well. |
| 25 | ** This is ironic, because two of their most popular songs ("Lick it Up" and "I Was Made for Lovin' You") respectively come off of said sans-makeup album (''Lick it Up'') and said disco album (''Dynasty''). |
| 26 | ** Many fans would like to forget that the ConceptAlbum ''Music/MusicFromTheElder'' was ever made. [[CreatorBacklash So would the group.]] |
| 27 | * Music/AphexTwin, considered one of the greatest [[ElectronicMusic Electronica]] musicians alongside Music/{{Kraftwerk}}, Music/TangerineDream, Music/{{Autechre}}, Music/{{Leftfield}} and Music/BrianEno, is a particularly complex case. There are those who consider his first two ambient albums to be his greatest, whilst others only consider the first one any good; some detest the manic drill n bass/drum n bass noise of ''Music/ICareBecauseYouDo'', ''Girl/Boy EP'' and the ''Music/RichardDJamesAlbum''. The ''Analord'' series, consisting of Acid Techno tracks done completely on analogue equipment without computers has an avid fanbase and yet many detractors, some calling it a masterpiece whilst others saying that his experimentation ''Music/{{Drukqs}}'' is better. All the while the other side says ''[=drukQs=]'' is a bunch of Richard's B sides thrown together as a double album. Funnily enough, his most commercial releases, "Come To Daddy" and "Windowlicker" have everyone agreeing that they're great. |
| 28 | ** Except [[CreatorBacklash Richard D. James himself]], he's expressed his contempt for "Come To Daddy", referring to it as a 'death metal jingle'. |
| 29 | * Music/{{Autechre}} seems to have forgotten that its first release was a generic old school hardcore single from 1991, ''Cavity Job'', and not its first foray into IDM, "The Egg" (released on the seminal 1992 Warp compilation ''Artificial Intelligence''). |
| 30 | ** Similarly many fans of Warp Records would rather forget that it ever released straightforward {{techno}} in its earliest years rather than IDM, or that it now focuses on more commercially-accessible indie rock. |
| 31 | * Whenever a ProgressiveRock group releases an album that is more "commercial" and less "progressive," there are always legions of progressive rock fans to deny its existence. Examples include [[Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer ELP's]] ''Love Beach'', anything by Music/{{Genesis|Band}} after Music/PeterGabriel left, Music/{{Yes}}'s entire Music/TrevorRabin era, and any Music/GentleGiant studio album released after ''Interview''. |
| 32 | ** Some Genesis fans are a little more generous and include ''Music/ATrickOfTheTail'' and ''Music/WindAndWuthering'', the first two post-Gabriel releases, in the list of accepted albums. The band still had Music/SteveHackett for those two, and the music, stylistically, wasn't too different from their previous albums. In contrast, ''many'' fans [[CanonDiscontinuity and even the band themselves]] refuse to acknowledge ''Music/CallingAllStations'', the one album released after Music/PhilCollins left the band, though some are starting to warm up to it. |
| 33 | *** It's easy for fans to disregard Genesis' first two albums and say that Collins was their ''only'' drummer.[[note]]The band actually went through three drummers before hiring him: Chris Stewart (who performed on the early demos and the first two singles), John Silver (who performed on ''From Genesis to Revelation''), and the late John Mayhew (who performed on ''Trespass'').[[/note]] If drummers before Collins are acknowledged, it's only on ''Trespass''. It's widely agreed that there is no such thing as ''From Genesis to Revelation''. Again, this extends to the band themselves. |
| 34 | *** Other fans will disregard everything the band did that doesn't qualify as "prog", with the possible exception of an occasional pop song. This doesn't mean that everything they recorded after ''Duke'' doesn't exist. It means that the group's début, ''From Genesis to Revelations'', does not exist, and that after ''Duke'' the group sporadically released a series of [=EPs=] ranging in length from around fifteen to around thirty minutes, until their last EP in 1991, which consisted of "Dreaming While You Sleep", "Driving the Last Spike", "Fading Lights", and (maybe) "Living Forever" and/or "No Son of Mine". |
| 35 | ** The members of ELP even admitted that they recorded ''Love Beach'' only because they owed their record label another album. |
| 36 | * Many fans of Music/TheClash would prefer to believe that the band ended after 1982's ''Music/CombatRock'' album. The band's next three troubled years, which included a drastic reshuffle of personnel and the widely-panned 1985 ''Music/CutTheCrap'' album (most fans pretend "This is England" was a stand-alone song) were all just a bad dream. |
| 37 | ** WordOfGod is on those fans' side...sort of. Joe Strummer disowned the album, calling the lineup that recorded it "The Clash Mark II" (Mick Jones and Topper Headon had been fired prior to its recording). He was, however, just one God (albeit an important one), and the album does exist and says "Music/TheClash" on the cover. But that's what denial is for. |
| 38 | *** It does help that the album recorded was far from what was to have been, with their manager adding a majority of overdubs, drum machine and synthesizers without Strummer's acknowledgement (Paul Simonon was featured on just one track too). |
| 39 | * Music/ArethaFranklin, the queen of soul, recorded a ''disco'' album in 1979, entitled ''La Diva''. She was trying to win back the mainstream success she lost in the early 70s. It was a critical and commerical flop and many of her fans refuse to acknowledge its existence. It's so hated that it still hasn't been released on CD in the US. |
| 40 | * Music/BadReligion fans ([[CanonDiscontinuity and the band itself]]) tend to ignore ''Into the Unknown'', which was a prog rock album from an '80s punk band, and their last two albums on Atlantic Records, ''No Substance'' and ''New America''. They cite the latter two as an example of what can happen when [[CreatorBreakdown your main songwriting partner quits the band, your band is stuck in major label politics, your wife divorces you, you record the album with one of your favorite artists from back in the day and find out]] [[{{Jerkass}} he's a douche...]] |
| 41 | * Most Music/IronMaiden fans prefer to develop selective amnesia during the eight-year period between ''Fear of the Dark'' and ''Brave New World''. Two albums were (not) released during this time. Interestingly, the band themselves do not acknowledge this, instead occasionally integrating some of the more well-received songs from the Blaze albums into their latter-day setlists. |
| 42 | ** Some Music/IronMaiden fans tend to consider anything produced by the band ''without'' Music/BruceDickinson fronting the band to be sub-par, although most do recognize Paul [=Di'Anno=]'s work on the first two albums. A few extend to "without Bruce ''and'' Adrian Smith", so they can ignore the two albums done after the guitarist left. |
| 43 | ** [[FanDumb Another]] [[NostalgiaFilter part]] of the fandom just pretend that everything after ''Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son'' just never existed. |
| 44 | * Similarly, many fans of Music/JudasPriest pretend the band did not exist in the time between Rob Halford leaving the band and their reunion with him. The band was on hiatus for about half of this time. It helps that the band is also steadfastly ignoring everything they released during that time. |
| 45 | ** Some also like to forget that ''Rocka Rolla'' exists, firstly due to its poor production, especially as the band didn't have full control over the track selection. However, the ExecutiveMeddling was good in hindsight because it meant that ''Sad Wings Of Destiny'', containing some songs written after the first album, is flawless. |
| 46 | *** Since it deprived the world of hearing what Judas Priest intended to be their EpicRocking masterpiece at the time, "Caviar and Meths," what happened to the album is still a crime. |
| 47 | * Many fans of Music/{{Metallica}} insist that they released nothing after that bus crash. Others say that their recording career ended immediately before the Black Album, or immediately after it. The tiny fraction of fans left insist that they went on to make five more albums after this, but when faced with a copy of ''St. Anger'' (or, God forbid, ''Lulu''), go into violent conniptions. |
| 48 | ** And another small group of Metallica fans pretends that there was an eleven-year period where they didn't record any new studio albums: specifically, the eleven years between ''[=ReLoad=]'' and ''Death Magnetic''. All they did during that time was get a new bassist and put out a live CD and a CoverAlbum. Do not tell them otherwise. |
| 49 | *** It's actually faster to note the number of albums that AREN'T considered FanonDiscontinuity by any number of fans, right down to the people who thought ''Music/RideTheLightning'' of all albums was selling out because of "Fade to Black". |
| 50 | * Though to a lesser degree, a very few Music/LessThanJake fans like to pretend their last album was ''Borders & Boundaries''. Other like to pretend that their whole discography exists, except for the non-existent album ''In With the Out Crowd''. |
| 51 | * Many prefer to believe that ''Music/AbbeyRoad'' was the last album that Music/TheBeatles put out, rather than ''Music/LetItBe''. It helps that ''Abbey Road'' was the last album they recorded (''Let It Be'' was recorded earlier, but its release was delayed until after ''Abbey Road'') and is widely considered almost perfect, with several tracks clearly laid down by a band knowing they were at the end of the road and determined to go out on a high. ''Let It Be'' is widely disliked -- several fine tracks aside (this is still The Beatles we're talking about -- even their more polarizing albums have great songs like "Across the Universe") -- for being a slapdash effort created when tensions between the band members had all but reached the breaking point, sabotaged (depending on your viewpoint, certainly if you're Music/PaulMcCartney) by a combination of over-production and spite, and released to get it out of the way and to have an album to go with the ''Film/LetItBe'' film. |
| 52 | ** The existence of "new" Beatles albums ''after'' ''Let It Be'' (and the legal break-up) is even less certain. The Red Album, the Blue Album, ''Music/PastMasters'', ''Music/TheBeatlesAnthology'' and ''1'' exist, but most other compilations are not consistently acknowledged. Most experienced Beatles fans do think that the 1999 ''Music/YellowSubmarine'' Songtrack album exists, but it forced the original 1968 ''Music/YellowSubmarine'' soundtrack album out of existence (and out of print) in the process (at least before the '68 album was re-released with the remasters... a few years before the Songtrack followed suit). |
| 53 | *** Like ''Music/LetItBe'', the ''Music/YellowSubmarine'' issue is helped by the fact that the original was not considered one of the band's better efforts to begin with and the reworking removes some of the cruft and filler (mainly the George Martin soundtrack instrumentals which, while not bad themselves, aren't of a great deal of interest to most Beatles fans), and in a similar fashion to the US ''Music/MagicalMysteryTour'' example, replaces them with better-regarded songs which also appear on the soundtrack (such as "Eleanor Rigby," "Nowhere Man" and "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds"). |
| 54 | ** Almost all modern Beatles fans believe that the original Capitol [=LPs=] don't exist because, if they do exist, then Capitol remixed the songs, adding echo and fake stereo, and messed so much with running order that, between 1963 and 1966, there would be more Capitol [=LPs=] than original EMI [=LPs=] if they existed. This includes fans who have never known the albums even when CanonDisContinuity ''isn't'' figured in. There are definitely sleeves to ''Yesterday... and Today'' floating around, some with the Butcher Cover, but ''Yesterday... and Today'' as an LP is generally denied the dignity of existing because even the band hated the idea of it. The album of ''Music/MagicalMysteryTour'' exists because it is better to accept the Capitol LP version than the British [=EP=] -- but then, it's not normally treated as a Capitol Beatles album. |
| 55 | ** Speaking of ''Music/LetItBe'', the existence (or not) of the digitally remastered re-release ''Let It Be... Naked'' can provoke fist-fights under the right circumstances. For its detractors, it's not the original album and never will be, and it butchers the original songs for the sake of Music/PaulMcCartney's ego. ([=McCartney=] was the driving force behind the re-release; he never liked the original, especially not the way his songs were produced on it.) For its supporters, it removes the inconsequential fluff, spiteful sabotaging, and syrupy over-producing, and it restores the songs to the way they should have been, making the entire album a stronger and superior work in the process. |
| 56 | ** It's not just Music/TheBeatles as a group, either; the solo members get this as well: |
| 57 | *** There are a good many fans of Music/JohnLennon's solo career who disregard the existence of his musical collaboration projects with Music/YokoOno. Their first three joint albums, ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo1TwoVirgins'', ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo2LifeWithTheLions'' and ''Music/WeddingAlbum'' are experimental AvantGardeMusic, NoiseRock and LeaveTheCameraRunning recordings that are downright unlistenable more than once for the most part. The only one of their joint projects that is usually acknowledged is ''Music/DoubleFantasy'', only because it is the most "normal" sounding of the albums, and was also the last album Lennon recorded before his death. It could probably go without saying that almost everyone has tried to repress the memory of a certain woman standing next to him, shrieking. |
| 58 | *** There is some uncertainty about how many albums Music/PaulMcCartney has recorded since 1976. There are many people who don't think he recorded anything between ''Tug Of War'' and ''Flaming Pie''. Some seem to think his recording career ended when Music/{{Wings}} did, or didn't exist between then and his latest album. (Interestingly, people taking that position often keep it even when the "latest album" changes.) |
| 59 | *** Some people don't count Music/GeorgeHarrison's ''Brainwashed'' as part of his canon mainly because it was released posthumously through the efforts of his son, Dhani. |
| 60 | *** Music/RingoStarr released two albums in 1970, ''Sentimental Journey'' and ''Beaucoups of Blues'', but since they didn't do well on either side of the Atlantic, many people ignored them in favor of considering ''Ringo'' his true debut as a solo artist. This has lessened in later years as ''Beaucoups of Blues'' has been reassessed as a forgotten...well, not masterpiece, but a decent album at least. One of the people who discounted those albums was Ringo himself, who named his 6th album ''Ringo The 4th.'' Ironically, that album itself is highly contested by fans for its [[DiscoSucks baffling disco focus which was widely seen as trend chasing]]. Fans consider it the end of Ringo's relevance as a solo artist, if they even acknowledge it at all. |
| 61 | *** Speaking of Ringo, once he took over, [[ThePeteBest Pete Best]] was never heard of again. |
| 62 | * Despite Ed Roland's IAmTheBand status, most Music/CollectiveSoul fans aren't too interested in anything recorded after ''Blender'', and most don't even like that one due to [[NewSoundAlbum how little it sounds like anything the band did before]]. For some reason, without Ross Childress, it just wasn't the same. While there are some who defend ''Youth'', all but the most devoted fans will prefer to say the band broke up after ''Dosage''. If they even acknowledge that one. |
| 63 | * Less dedicated fans of Music/{{Queen}} pretend ''Hot Space'' doesn't exist, and that "Under Pressure," one of the band's biggest hits and a track from that album, was just a stand-alone single. |
| 64 | ** It's worth mentioning that Music/DavidBowie was meant to guest star on all the songs, not just that one, but he, well, hated them. And this was right before ''his'' CanonDiscontinuity. |
| 65 | ** Queen themselves [[CanonDiscontinuity ignored the other songs]] on ''Hot Space''. In their last two major tours with Music/FreddieMercury, only "Under Pressure" was performed live. |
| 66 | ** Also, Queen and [[ReplacementScrappy Paul Rodgers]] never met. |
| 67 | ** Music/AdamLambert never met with the band. |
| 68 | * Fans of Music/PinkFloyd have also invoked this: |
| 69 | ** Depending on the fan they didn't produce anything after: |
| 70 | *** Music/SydBarrett left (whether or not ''Music/ASaucerfulOfSecrets'' counts or not varies) |
| 71 | *** Before and/or after either ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'' or ''Music/TheWall'' (arguably their most famous works; a few only consider the four albums of that period) |
| 72 | *** After Music/RogerWaters left. |
| 73 | ** Some of the remaining fans (which to be fair are more than you'd expect with the sort of discontinuity the band gets) have gotten confused by the hate, as Floyd tried to turn the clock back to their most productive (and popular) period (''Music/{{Meddle}}'' to ''Music/WishYouWereHere1975''). On the other hand they'd also be the first to admit that the lyrics had taken a bit of a knock since then. |
| 74 | ** [[CreatorBacklash The band members themselves]] are making a conscious effort to erase ''Music/AtomHeartMother'' from their memories (at most, Music/DavidGilmour still plays "Fat Old Sun" on occasion), and they've also admitted they didn't really know what they were doing during ''Music/{{Ummagumma}}'' (though they do acknowledge the live disk actually turned out pretty well). |
| 75 | * Some members of the Hardcore Punk scene insist that Music/TheMisfits do not exist without Glenn Danzig, while others are actually pleased that he's off doing his own thing (usually making a fool of himself and screaming at Hugh Jackman) these days while Jerry actually turned the band into a success. |
| 76 | * Many Levellers fans think they released nothing after the "One Way Of Life" compilation until either ''Green Blade Rising'', ''Letters From The Underground'' or ever, depending on who you talk to. |
| 77 | * Many hardcore fans do embrace it as a great exploratory departure album, and the band is quite fond of it, but to the casual fanbase and general listening public, Music/DefLeppard never released an album called ''Slang''. (On the tour to promote the album, the band even found themselves dropping the new songs from the set list and digging back into the 80s library to replace them, thanks to audience rejection of "the new Def Leppard.") The next studio album, ''Euphoria'', saw a return to the slickly produced arena rock sound that made them so big in the first place. |
| 78 | ** And if it's not ''Slang'' that they shelved, it's ''Adrenalize''. Most people in general have a hard time believing the band continued making music after ''Hysteria''. The rest consider it to be a SellOut, and that the band ended with the loss of Rick Allen's left arm. |
| 79 | * More than a few fans of Music/TheCorrs dismiss everything post-''Talk On Corners'' -- which means starting without the virtual remix album, ''Talk On Corners: Special Edition''. |
| 80 | * Music/DaftPunk have released from one to five albums depending on who you talk to. To elaborate: their first album was the French house-style ''Music/{{Homework}}''. Their second album, however, was the electropop ''Music/{{Discovery|DaftPunkAlbum}}'', which caused some of their house fans to disown them but is now considered a career landmark. The pro forma third album, ''Human After All'', is the one most often discarded for sounding rushed, repetitive and incomplete. Whether or not the live album ''Alive 2007'' counts depends on how you view the first three (though review website Pitchfork admitted that ''Alive 2007'' did help to validate the existence of ''Human After All''). The fifth, ''Random Access Memories'', is disowned by the house fans who find it a ''Discovery 2'' and hardcore fans unhappy to see [[ItsPopularNowItSucks the band finally hit the mainstream]], because otherwise it's a very beloved album. |
| 81 | ** This does not count the first live album, ''Alive 1997'', which consists of songs from ''Homework''. Or the ''Film/TronLegacy'' soundtrack. |
| 82 | * Some say there are no Music/{{Aerosmith}} albums after 1977, some extend that to 1979 to include ''Night in the Ruts'', which still did okay in the charts and is still in the same vein as their earlier albums. |
| 83 | ** According to others, they went back into business due to Music/RunDMC's involvement. But most certainly the band never participated in the soundtrack for ''Film/Armageddon1998''... |
| 84 | ** Many fans also like to believe that Aerosmith took a five year break from 1979-1984 and certainly didn't break up and make crappy albums. Also, considering modern evidence (''VideoGame/GuitarHero: Aerosmith'', anyone?), [[CanonDiscontinuity the band probably agrees]]. |
| 85 | *** Not "Probably." Drummer Joey Kramer said about ''Rock in a Hard Place'' "the record doesn't suck. There's some real good stuff on it. But it's not a real Aerosmith record because it's just me, Steven, and Tom - with a fill-in guitar player." That's right, it's [[InNameOnly not even an Aerosmith album anymore.]] |
| 86 | * There's some argument about when Music/BarenakedLadies broke up. Some say it was after ''Stunt'', some say after ''Maroon'', but almost nobody believes they stayed together after ''Everything To Everyone'' -- the release of multiple albums after that notwithstanding. |
| 87 | * For most of her Latin American fans, ''¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?'' was Music/{{Shakira}}'s last work. |
| 88 | ** Even some of her English-speaking fans prefer to think of her solely as an incredible Colombian artist, denying the existence of ''Laundry Service'' (citing the narmy lyrics resulting from [[LostInTranslation bizarre forced-rhyme]]), and question the [[UnnecessaryMakeover peroxide job]] in her foray into the English language market. |
| 89 | * Some dedicated fans say Nightwish dropped off the face of the earth when Tarja Turunen was kicked out. Even more people deny she released a solo album. Even more deny she covered Alice Cooper's "Poison". |
| 90 | ** Others still insist Nightwish began when Anette Olzon started singing with them. |
| 91 | *** Most of the old fanbase is jumping with joy now that Anette left and Floor Jansen, ex Music/{{After Forever}}, has been officially introduced as her permanent replacement. |
| 92 | * Some believe there are no Music/NineInchNails albums after the live CD ''And All That Could Have Been''. |
| 93 | ** Other NIN fans prefer to think they released between one and four albums (and maybe a DVD) in the last three years, depending on whom you ask. There never was a video for "Deep," though. |
| 94 | ** An alternate theory is that after [[BlackSheepHit "Closer"]] took off, Trent went into seclusion and was never heard from again. |
| 95 | * Although it was acclaimed critically and has been embraced by a few fans, country singer-songwriter Music/AlanJackson's 2006 album ''Like Red On A Rose'', an [[CreatorsOddball exploratory easy-listening album]] that consists almost entirely of slow, bluesy love songs (as well as the only album in his catalog not produced by Keith Stegall), might as well not exist to many fans. Usually the only song that's given a pass is "A Woman's Love", if only because it's a rerecording of an older song of his. |
| 96 | * Music/FatboySlim may have released one, two, three or four albums, depending on whom you ask. |
| 97 | * According to many Music/{{Oasis}} fans, they only recorded two albums, "Don't Go Away" was a stand-alone single, and they were on a reunion tour at the time they broke up in 2009. This is especially in regards to ''Music/BeHereNow'' (even if certain reviewers consider that, beyond the overblown production, there are standout tracks, such as the aforementioned "Don't Go Away," the one song on the album that was universally praised by critics). An example of this was when a survey was done asking 100 fans which twenty songs should appear on the "best of" compilation album, there were ''no songs'' (even obvious choices) that featured on everyone's list. No songs from ''Be Here Now'' appeared on ''Stop the Clocks'' (the aforementioned "best of" collection) anyway, not even "Don't Go Away". |
| 98 | * "The End Is the Beginning Is the End" is the end for a lot of Music/TheSmashingPumpkins fans. And, really, the band itself. |
| 99 | ** At the height of the band's popularity this was true. Now of days, most fans either disown anything after 2000, just ''Zeitgeist'', or after Jimmy left the band. A lot of the fans are actually liking the new material from ''Oceania'', so who knows. |
| 100 | ** Since the band was started by the collaboration of [[IAmTheBand Billy Corgan]] and James Iha, it's reasonable to consider a "Smashing Pumpkins" without the latter an InNameOnly side project, much like Music/{{Zwan}}. Although whether the band once Iha (and Jimmy Chamberlain again) rejoined counts... |
| 101 | * Ask any blues fan, and they'll swear up and down that Music/HowlinWolf and Music/MuddyWaters never bothered to stoop so low as to record ''psychedelic rock'' albums during the late '60s. |
| 102 | * Depending on who you ask, Music/{{Rush|Band}} disbanded no later than ''Signals,'' and have been on a reunion tour since 2002. |
| 103 | ** Some Rush fans are actually looking forward to these rumoured albums ''Vapor Trails'' and ''Snakes & Arrows''. The demos sound promising, but they REALLY need to be mixed better before being released to the public.. |
| 104 | ** Many Rush fans don't much care for their debut, save for "Working Man". Even those who do deny it as a Rush album since Neil Peart [[ThePeteBest wasn't present on it]]. |
| 105 | ** Many more pretend that their synthesizer era (arguably ''Signals'' through ''Hold Your Fire'') didn't exist. Of course, when a band has eighteen studio albums and a nineteenth on the way, you have to expect some won't be remembered as well as others. |
| 106 | *** Their third album, ''Caress of Steel'', was a pretty substantial failure when it was released, but most fans seem to like it these days. |
| 107 | ** A common consensus is that ''Power Windows'' was the final Rush album, and that everything afterwards was a former Rush cover band performing under the name. |
| 108 | * Fans of Music/MumfordAndSons insist that the band never went electric on their third album which does not exist. Some will also claim they never experimented with gospel music on a second similarly non-existent album. |
| 109 | * Several classical music fans insist that only the part of Music/WolfgangAmadeusMozart's "Requiem" written by the composer himself before he DiedDuringProduction exists, and that it was never finished by his pupil. There are even musicologists that went as far as to attempt to finish the work themselves, according to Website/TheOtherWiki. |
| 110 | * Depending on which of most old AFI fans you are asking, they never released anything after their first three major albums, they disbanded right before joining any major label, or simply haven't released anything ever since ''Sing the Sorrow'' but may be working on something right now. |
| 111 | ** Also, some may remind you that Davey and Jade never considered using synthesizers in their songs, let alone make a side-project containing almost no guitar track. |
| 112 | * To the Chinese Cultural Department, Music/GunsNRoses [[BannedInChina never released]] ''Music/ChineseDemocracy''. |
| 113 | ** Many fans not situated in China would like to take a similar stance, holding that nothing was released following the ''Use Your Illusion'' albums. (And nothing ''was'' released after 1994 until 2008, except for the one-off song "Oh My God," yet another unpopular song.) |
| 114 | ** Basically when Slash left the group, the band ceased to be. Only to revive when he and Duff returned! (ironically, with a few ''Chinese Democracy'' songs on the setlist) |
| 115 | * As far as many Music/GaryNuman fans are concerned, he released nothing between ''Telekon'' and ''Sacrifice''. It helps that Numan himself [[CreatorBacklash isn't so fond of that period]]. |
| 116 | * Music/{{Radiohead}}'s first album ''Music/PabloHoney'' is ignored not only by most fans, but [[CanonDiscontinuity also by the band]]. It's been aeons since the last time they played a song from it. |
| 117 | ** And the one song ("Creep") they used to play all the time dropped off the setlist for about five years because [[JustHereForGodzilla fans used to come for the song and then leave]]. Apparently, they've softened up and play it once every couple dozen gigs now. |
| 118 | ** Some fans also like to forget the existence of ''Music/TheKingOfLimbs'', seeing ''Music/AMoonShapedPool'' as the true successor to ''Music/InRainbows''. |
| 119 | * Another [[CanonDiscontinuity disowned]] debut: Music/TheProdigy's ''Experience''. Since their second album came out and Oldskool Rave went out of fashion, Prodigy fans would deny there was ever a time when Howlett's music was bright, humorous and cartoony. |
| 120 | ** Similarly some fans would rather forget about their 2004 album ''Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned''; and The Prodigy themselves have disowned the 2002 non-album single "Baby's Got a Temper". |
| 121 | * Music/GogolBordello seem to have disowned their first two albums, ''Voi-La Intruder'' and ''Multi Kontra Culti Vs. Irony'' because they hadn't really "found their sound" until the third, ''Gypsy Punks''. Which is too bad, 'cause those first two albums are still pretty good. |
| 122 | * In the late '90s, Music/GarthBrooks recorded a CD in the role of Chris Gaines, the central character of his planned movie, ''The Lamb''. Sales of ''Music/InTheLifeOfChrisGaines'' were disappointing (by Brooks' standards; it still went double platinum), the reception was lukewarm, the movie was eventually canceled, and the whole Gaines project forgotten by just about everybody. Never mind that it produced his only top 40 pop hit. |
| 123 | ** Garth's sales were starting to decline as early as 1995, with the generally panned ''Fresh Horses'' which failed to produce a hit on the magnitude of "The Dance" or "Friends in Low Places". ''Sevens'' was also lukewarm, but at least had a huge hit in "Two Piña Coladas". |
| 124 | * Metal enthusiasts prefer to think that 1992's ''Countdown to Extinction'' was the last album recorded by Music/{{Megadeth}}. ''Speed'' Metal enthusiasts try to ignore everything after 1990's ''Rust in Peace''. Come 2004's ''The System has Failed'', they didn't know what to think. ([[WinBackTheCrowd It was a return to form]], and ''United Abominations'' and ''Endgame'' are in the same position.) |
| 125 | ** A significant portion of the Megadeth fandom that otherwise enjoy everything else tend to claim that ''Risk'' doesn't exist. However, considering [[ExecutiveMeddling the story behind that album]]... |
| 126 | ** There are some who believe that ''Cryptic Writings'' was the last 'classic' Megadeth album, ignore ''Risk'', and claim that everything afterward is a comeback album. |
| 127 | *** Or that both ''Cryptic Writings'' and ''Risk'' were commercial disasters and that everything afterwards was generic, by-the-numbers {{Fanservice}} with no soul. Basically, they broke up after ''Youthanasia''. |
| 128 | * Most fans of Music/TheCars disown the New Cars period with Todd Rundgren singing. Especially after the original lineup, minus late bassist and lead singer Ben Orr, reunited, toured and recorded the reunion album ''Move Like This''. |
| 129 | * Music/LinkinPark fans have this in spades. There is a small group of early fans who thought ''Music/{{Meteora}}'' wasn't heavy enough. Even more fans felt Music/MinutesToMidnight'' was a sell out. ''Music/AThousandSuns'' broke the base even more, as the band remained softer but went in the opposite direction. |
| 130 | ** Most fans agree that [[NewSoundAlbum ''One More Light'']] was never released, due to the album being practically straight {{Pop}}. |
| 131 | * Little is as entertaining as listening to two Music/FaithNoMore fans argue about whether the band's first two albums, recorded with singer Chuck Mosley, should count. |
| 132 | ** [[CanonDiscontinuity The band themselves discount]] ''We Care a Lot'' and consider ''Introduce Yourself'' to be their debut. This parallels the most common consensus among fans, who consider ''We Care a Lot'' to be a more heavily-circulated demo, rather than a studio album proper. |
| 133 | ** There are other fans who argue that the final two albums without Jim Martin don't count. Mike Patton is also not very happy with ''Album of the Year'', and cites that it was the point when "We started to make bad music." |
| 134 | * Some fans of death metal band Cryptopsy do this with any album recorded without vocalist Lord Worm. Depending on the fan, they might even ignore ''Once Was Not'', the one album recorded when Lord Worm reunited with the band, thus limiting the band's discography to the debut album (''Blasphemy Made Flesh'') and its follow up (''None So Vile''). |
| 135 | ** Most fans do acknowledge Once Was Not and the work done with Mike [=DiSalvo=] on vocals. But ask them who Matt [=McGachy=] is or whether The Unspoken King was any good, you'll just get confused stares. Or punched in the face. |
| 136 | ** Alternatively, they did not release anything between 2005's ''Once Was Not'' and 2012's SelfTitledAlbum. |
| 137 | * According to a lot of Music/MyChemicalRomance fans, there is no such thing as ''[[Music/DangerDaysTheTrueLivesOfTheFabulousKilljoys Danger Days]]''. |
| 138 | ** According to a lot of other My Chemical Romance fans, their only two albums are ''Three Cheers'' and ''The Black Parade''. That other one doesn't exist. |
| 139 | ** According to a lot of fans, ''The Black Parade'' was the band's first album. |
| 140 | * Many fans of the band Music/CannibalCorpse will ''vehemently'' deny that George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher ever existed, much less replaced former vocalist Chris Barnes. |
| 141 | * Every fan of The Tea Party will tell you that their final album, ''Seven Circles'', doesn't exist. The average fan will say that everything after ''Triptych'' is a myth, and a slightly smaller sect will tell you that everything after ''Transmission'' doesn't exist. Then, you've got the small group who refuses to believe that ''Transmission'' ever existed, solely on the basis of its industrial influences, and that The Tea Party only put out two blues rock albums, and called it quits. Strangely, very few fans thinks any of their albums are bad, as a matter of fact, most will tell you that "they're still better than 99% of everything else" up to, and including, the much hated ''Seven Circles''. |
| 142 | * Music/VanHalen only had two frontmen, Music/DavidLeeRoth and Sammy Hagar. Some fans deny the existence of the latter, but no one ([[CanonDiscontinuity including the band]], as shown in their compilation albums) wants to admit there was a third singer, let alone that they recorded an album with him. In turn, there are [[Music/{{Extreme}} Gary Cherone]] fans who will concur and will tell you he never joined Van Halen. |
| 143 | * Music/{{U2}}'s fandom is divided on which albums not to acknowledge. All after ''Music/TheJoshuaTree'', all after ''Music/AchtungBaby'', and (most common) the two between ''AB'' and ''Music/AllThatYouCantLeaveBehind''. |
| 144 | * Most Music/{{Pantera}} fans refuse to acknowledge that the band originally began as a hair metal group. This is a sentiment with the band itself; [[CanonDiscontinuity all members of the band discount all albums]] released prior to ''Cowboys From Hell''. They did license a pre-''Cowboys'' track for ''Film/DonnieDarko'', but apparently under the condition that it didn't have the Pantera name attached to it - it's listed in the credits as being performed by the (non-existent) band Dead Green Mummies. |
| 145 | ** On the other hand, there is a much smaller segment of fans who enjoy some or all of those early albums (particularly ''Power Metal'', which they will almost universally cite as the band's true peak) and loathe the groove metal the band eventually became known for. These fans will maintain that either ''I am the Night'' or ''Power Metal'' was the band's debut (occasionally they'll include ''Projects in the Jungle'', but good luck finding anyone who acknowledges ''Metal Magic'') and insist that the band broke up after either ''Power Metal'' or ''Cowboys From Hell''. They'll also get quite upset if you refer to their preferred canon as "hair" or "glam," which, being fair, became less and less accurate with each successive album. |
| 146 | * Music/{{Yes}} fans tend to disagree over which albums did or didn't happen. It doesn't help that the band suffers a BrokenBase, with "Troopers" preferring their earlier works and "Generators" preferring their later works, but even they have internal conflicts; for example, Troopers will debate ''Tales from Topographic Oceans''. About the only thing both sides will agree on is that ''Union'' did not happen. |
| 147 | ** Although the majority of fans (and Rick Wakeman) agree there has been only one lead singer and his name is Jon Anderson, Trevor Horn never made any albums, and the current touring line up is just a tribute band. |
| 148 | ** While most fans agree about the existence of the Yes-in-all-but-name splinter group Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe, whether or not they actually recorded an album before merging back with Yes is debatable. And the 8-man lineup that resulted from the merger never produced any new music at all. The only thing that happened before Yes reformed for ''Keys to Ascension'' was a neat little Trevor Rabin solo project called ''Talk'', which was sometimes labelled incorrectly as a Yes album. |
| 149 | ** Some fans who like ''Drama'' but still consider Jon Anderson the band's only vocalist [[TakeAThirdOption have regarded]] it as a [[Music/TheBuggles Buggles]] album that featured some members of Yes. |
| 150 | ** Depending up who you ask, there is no Yes without Steve Howe, no Yes without Trevor Rabin, no Yes without Jon Anderson, no Yes without Chris Squire (even though Squire explicitly said he wanted the band to go on past his death), and the list goes on. Getting fans to agree on which albums don't exist is difficult; however, the most frequently contested are the above-mentioned ''Union'', plus ''Tormato'', ''Big Generator'', ''Open Your Eyes'', and ''Heaven and Earth''. |
| 151 | * A substantial number of Christian Death fans consider the band to have ended when Rozz Williams left; and that nothing since Valor Kand took over actually existed. (Although they do retain a bit of shadenfreude over the incident where he was pepper-sprayed on stage.) |
| 152 | * A small subset of Music/TheSistersOfMercy fans treat everything Andrew Eldritch did after Wayne Hussey left to form Mission UK this way. Others consider that period to be their best, or at least most accessible, work. |
| 153 | ** A significant number of people believe Music/TheSistersOfMercy broke up after Vision Thing. Not in a "We're going to ignore them," way, but genuinely believe the group broke up. Nope. They continued on past Vision Thing (1990) until 1993 when they went on hiatus for 3 years. By 1996, however, they were back together and they've never broken up since. |
| 154 | * Fans of the post-hardcore band Chiodos are convinced that the band will never be as successful without lead singer Craig Owens. |
| 155 | ** A decent part of their fan base has taken this even further and agrees that Chiodos have actually ''broken up'', rather than parted ways with Owens. |
| 156 | ** Some of us found Owens voice obnoxious but respected the musicianship of the rest of the band and are actually excited. |
| 157 | ** This is known as the Chiodos principal. While its agreed [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aNUgUvlRs&feature=related This]] is better than [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvEzJpKg4ko&feature=related This]], It still pales in comparison to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUTXPaE7qM This]] |
| 158 | * Subverted with Music/ToriAmos' fanbase. Instead of refusing to acknowledge the albums that they hate, Toriphiles will bash them. (With the possible exception of ''Y Kant Tori Read'', given that it's pretty much CanonDiscontinuity.) Although it seems to be played straight with ''Strange Little Girls'', her covers album, even with Tori herself. On her 2009 tour, she only performed material from this album ''twice''. |
| 159 | ** On her very brief 2010 tour, one SLG song made the setlists twice. With only about a dozen shows and 11 albums, many b-sides, side projects, and other material to choose from, it's not that bad a representation. SLG songs were very plentiful in 2007, even songs that had not been done in years. 2003 and 2005 tours were not completely bereft of SLG songs either. |
| 160 | * Ask a Music/BonJovi fan about Alec John Such. [[NobodyLovesTheBassist See if they know.]] |
| 161 | * Following the release of ''Spiritual Machines'' in 2001, Raine Maida of Music/OurLadyPeace went into a coma and the rest of the band refused to go on without him. Since then, some other band calling itself OLP released a couple of albums, but fans of ''Clumsy'' and ''Happiness Is Not A Fish That You Can Catch'' are still waiting for Raine to wake up. |
| 162 | ** Slight correction: Guitarist Mike "emtee" Turner left and producer Arnold Lanni got fired (keyboardist Jamie Edwards also left, but he was always in the background). While the latter two could arguably be forgotten, fans are waiting for emtee to come back from producing and reform the band. This OLP thing is [[TakeThat Raine Maida's solo project.]] |
| 163 | * Albums by Music/{{Devo}} have had lukewarm-to-cold critical response following the release of their first album, ''Music/QAreWeNotMenAWeAreDevo!'' (Magazine/RollingStone, for example was fairly ambivalent about them at the time; even their own label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, reportedly did not "understand" Devo). Fan response to their later albums has varied somewhat, though it's become more rare these days to find "real" fans who like anything less than their first five albums, and even the other three albums have warmed up to some (Devo fans are usually too rational-minded to "bash" any given album). However, depending on who you talk to, you may find those who claim one of the following: |
| 164 | ** ''Q & A'' was their only noteworthy album. |
| 165 | ** ''Q & A'' and ''Duty Now For The Future'' represent "real" Devo while the later, poppier synth albums do not. |
| 166 | *** A subset of this faction would also include their early, lo-fi demos as part of the essential Devo experience. |
| 167 | ** ''Q & A'', ''Duty Now'', and ''Music/FreedomOfChoice'' (which gave us "Whip It") were great; it all went "downhill" beginning with ''New Traditionalists''. |
| 168 | ** ''New Traditionalists'' and ''Oh, No! It's Devo'' were pretty good as far as synthpop goes; ''Shout'' (and the subsequent departure of Alan Myers as drummer) was their decline. |
| 169 | ** ''Total Devo'' was a "post-disco" abomination and ''Smooth Noodle Maps'' was only slightly better (or sometimes the other way around); the rest was alright. |
| 170 | ** Then there are those who accept their entire output for what it is (often with the exception of some of their film-related material and a few songs off their later albums). You'll even find a few who hold ''Total Devo'' or ''Smooth Noodle Maps'' among their favorites. Further differing opinions are held on Music/MarkMothersbaugh's soundtrack work, side-projects such as The Wipeouters, Jihad Jerry, and Dev2.0, and any live albums they have released (not to mention demos and other bootleg sources). |
| 171 | ** Or there are even some who like everything up to and including ''Dr. Detroit'', hate ''Shout'', ignore ''Total Devo'', and only like "Post-Post Modern Man" from ''Smooth Noodle Maps''. The new album ''Something For Everybody'' has seemingly made most people happy again. |
| 172 | ** Or some like everything up to ''Dr. Detroit'', pretend that the title track from ''Shout'', the "Are You Experienced?" cover and "Here to Go" were stand-alone singles, consider ''Total Devo'' SoOkayItsAverage, and pretend ''Smooth Noodle Maps'' consisted of "Post-Post Modern Man" and nothing else. Again, ''Something For Everybody'' makes them happy. |
| 173 | * Music/SimpleMinds: It is pretty accurate to say that most fans ignore the band's two {{Cover Album}}s "Neon Lights" and "Searching For The Lost Boys". Other albums - particularly those from 1991's ''Real Life'' through to 2005's ''Black And White 050505'' - can be divisive. Many were annoyed about ''Searching For The Lost Boys'' (which was a bonus disc to Graffiti Soul), because the band had previously said they had enough original music for a double album. As for ''Neon Lights'', it is seen as representing the band's nadir as an unsuccessful attempt at combining their 70s influences with modern dance influences, sounding nothing at all like what Simple Minds were known for. |
| 174 | * Music/{{Coldplay}}'s shift to arena rock and sonic landscapes created a clear drift. For fans of their more alt-rock area, they never released anything after ''A Rush of Blood to the Head'', at most extending it to ''X&Y''. Others hate their earlier work and claim their first album was ''Viva la Vida''. |
| 175 | * Music/CaptainBeefheart's two mid-70s albums ''Music/UnconditionallyGuaranteed'' and ''Music/BluejeansAndMoonbeams'' feature the AvantGardeMusic singer attempting syrupy love songs and standard blues-rock songs. Whilst they aren't really that bad, many fans completely omit them from the canon because they were so atypical of his usual style, as well as the fact that the first of the two albums caused the breakup of the 'classic' lineup of the band, and the second was recorded with session musicians. Beefheart [[CreatorBacklash disowned the albums later on, even saying people should take them back to the store and get their money refunded]]. Despite this, the albums were remastered a few years ago. |
| 176 | ** Beefheart later relented over just one track on ''Music/BluejeansAndMoonbeams'', saying that at least "Observatory Crest" was honest and roughly what he was trying to aim for on the album. |
| 177 | * Music/FrankZappa fans all have a few albums in Zappa's enormous catalogue that they just won't admit exist. It all starts around the time ''Music/JoesGarage'' was released. Some see this album as his last ''great work'', after which his next albums in the 1980s all started to suffer under less colorful and experimental musical arrangements, too much BawdySong sang in an annoying voice and political songs that are mostly dated nowadays, because they directly reference UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan and the televangelist scandals around Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Others claim that even "Joe's Garage" was too much AlbumFiller, with "Watermelon In Easter Hay" as the standalone piece. The most despised album in Zappa's entire catalogue is ''Music/ThingFish'', a double album RockOpera with a far fetched plotline that is both musically uninteresting as well as painfully unfunny. To make matters worse several tracks are basically [[RepurposedPopSong the instrumental tracks from older Zappa records]], while Ike Willis sings over them in an imitation of the character Kingfish from the sitcom ''Radio/AmosNAndy''. Zappa's classical albums from this time period get more recognition for their merits, but still get less attention than his 1960s and 1970s output. From his 1960s output some fans refuse to admit the CD version of ''Music/CruisingWithRubenAndTheJets'', because Zappa remastered the album in the 1980s by adding a new drum track, completely destroyed the original {{Doowop}} sound that made the record so great in the first place. For years this was the only available version on CD of this record! Only in 2012 the original unaltered album became available on CD again, but strange enough under another title: ''Greasy Love Songs''. |
| 178 | ** Zappa once recorded the debut album ''An Evening With Wild Man Fischer'' by street lunatic Music/WildManFischer. After Fischer threw a bottle at Zappa's infant daughter and started to badmouth Zappa in the press for the low sales of the album their collaboration soured. Zappa never re-released the album, not on LP or CD, refused to ever talk about Fischer again and it's nowadays the most rare album in his back catalogue. Bootlegs and ''black market'' sales still go for high prices, as this is literally a case of KeepCirculatingTheTapes. |
| 179 | * Many Music/{{Rainbow}} fans [[HarsherInHindsight mourn the day that]] Music/RonnieJamesDio left the band, because they disbanded after that. |
| 180 | * Many Music/MarilynManson fans refuse to acknowledge the group got back together, and happily ignore any albums released after their 2003-2006 hiatus. Other Manson fans, for that matter, refuse to acknowledge any album after ''Music/MechanicalAnimals''. |
| 181 | ** A commonly held belief is that the band never made any music without [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor]] at the production helm. |
| 182 | * Music/{{Weezer}}'s first two albums, ''Music/WeezerTheBlueAlbum'' and ''Music/{{Pinkerton}}'', are for the most part revered as classics. To quote one Pitchfork reviewer, these two albums are "75 minutes of near-perfect power-pop." Quite a few people would like to forget that their next six albums exist. |
| 183 | ** Although many just pick a few singles from those albums, and forget that they were from albums. |
| 184 | ** A subset of Weezer fans have no problem whatsoever with ''Weezer'' (the green one) and ''Maladroit'', despite both being extremely short and not as good as the first two records. The four albums after that though... |
| 185 | * A minority of Music/{{Starflyer 59}} fans insist that the 2004 album ''I am the Portuguese Blues'' isn't a proper Starflyer album, for a few reasons: it's not up to the same standards as most Sf59 releases, it was a jarring departure from Sf59's sound at the time, and eight of the ten tracks were originally written for a side project that never saw the light of day. |
| 186 | * Depending on one's musical tastes, either Music/SmashMouth's first album, ''Fush Yu Mang'', consists of "Walkin' On The Sun" and nothing else, or else their two follow-up albums, ''Astro Lounge'' and ''Smash Mouth'', don't exist[[note]]in the latter case, they respectively consist of "All Star" or "I'm a Believer" and nothing else[[/note]]. Their fourth album is pretty much disowned by everyone. |
| 187 | * About the only two Music/DreamTheater albums that all fans agree exist are ''Images and Words'' and ''Music/MetropolisPt2ScenesFromAMemory''. ''Images and Words'' is considered their defining album and ''Scenes From a Memory'' is considered their masterpiece, but their other albums all draw large numbers of people trying to ignore them. ''Train of Thought'', ''Octavarium'', and ''Systematic Chaos'' are considered too heavy, ''When Dream and Day Unite'' sounds too much like it came out of the '80s (it was released in 1989) and they have a different singer (ironically, the current singer is considered the weakest member of the band and is often TheScrappy or the MyFriendsAndZoidberg), ''Awake'' is considered unable to live up to its predecessor, ''Images and Words'', ''Falling into Infinity'' is too mainstream sounding, ''Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence'' is generally well received, though it has just one song that stands out ("The Glass Prison") and the title track, for a 42 minute long song, isn't as epic as expected, leaving some fans a little disappointed. Their most recent album, ''Black Clouds and Silver Linings'' has been well received, but the sheer amount of {{Narm}} in "The Count of Tuscany" and "A Nightmare to Remember" (along with Portnoy's rendition of a death metal growl that needs a little work) leads some fans to disown that album as well. Not all fans dismiss all albums but the two mentioned above, which makes it even more difficult to know what songs to avoid mentioning out of fear of flame wars. And to make it even more complicated, not all songs on all their albums have similar sounds, so it's even possible for certain songs to be disowned while the album in general is liked. Things can get a little messy there. |
| 188 | ** Many old-school fans (sometimes metalheads, but more often prog nerds and fairweather fans who preferred the band LighterAndSofter) will tell you that their only albums were ''When Dream and Day Unite'', ''Images and Words'', and ''Awake''. Sometimes ''Scenes from a Memory'' is included, but they'll still tell you they've never heard of anyone named Jordan Rudess. |
| 189 | * Irish band Altar of Plagues stated in an interview that they disregard the first EP they recorded, the "First Plague" EP. Indeed, if one goes to their Website/MySpace page, only their debut album and the other three [=EPs=] they recorded are listed. |
| 190 | * There are Music/RedHotChiliPeppers fans who only acknowledge the EMI phase (pre-''Blood Sugar Sex Magik'') - and still, most (including the band) think the debut album is subpar. Some equally favor the WB period (and sometimes ''Mother's Milk'') but this is often because of the popularity of John Frusciante. Others deny that Dave Navarro was once in the band, and ''Stadium Arcadium'' is a really [[BrokenBase divisive]] album. There is also the belief that ''Californication'' was their triumphant SwanSong. |
| 191 | * Music/{{Opeth}} is somewhat of a case here. Most people agree that the band we listen to nowadays started to exist with their third, more prog-death album ''My Arms Your Hearse''. |
| 192 | ** [[BrokenBase But then you ask their most old-school, hardcore fans]] and their answer will most likely be the band hasn't released anything after ''Still Life''. Both sides don't seem to come to terms with this. |
| 193 | ** A lot of people will claim ''Watershed'' was their last album and ''Heritage'' definitely does not exist, at all. |
| 194 | * The popular-within-their-own-country band Music/TheTragicallyHip has a long discography (13 studio albums and two [=EPs=]) that chronicles the evolution of and changes to their sound over the years. Many fans have gotten on and off the bandwagon along the way. For instance, there are some who prefer the grittier sounds of their first three albums, though most fans would have to include their hit-filled fourth album ''Fully Completely'' among the canon (sometimes even to the extent of discounting everything else). After that it gets a little blurry. The next two or three albums get softer but still pack in the hits. Some fans draw the line of continuity after ''Phantom Power'' (1998) or ''In Between Evolution'' (2004). With most of band starting to release solo work/side projects around those points, it starts becoming personal preference as to what is and is not canon. |
| 195 | * Which of Music/LedZeppelin's works can safely be considered canon? Some fans don't even give them all of LZ I-IV. The safest ground for a fanon would be those four albums and the three that followed them, effectively (fittingly?) ending with "Achilles Last Stand" from 1976's ''Presence''. The albums, reunion shows, and ''Coda'''s released afterwards, however...[[note]]Even at their worst, Led Zeppelin was better than most bands out there.[[/note]] |
| 196 | * Music/TalkingHeads went through a couple of potentially alienating style changes. Some diehard fans prefer their initial CBGB era sound and refuse to acknowledge the band making it big (selling out?) and chumming around with Music/BrianEno. By far the larger and more generous fandom appreciated the band and its line-up expansion, as this is the era of their greatest successes like ''Music/RemainInLight'' and ''Film/StopMakingSense''. But the albums that followed are more divisive, and the last two are mostly forgettable save for a few songs. It's worth noting that band tension and solo-career embarking had begun even as they reached the pinnacle of their success together at the beginning of TheEighties. |
| 197 | ** Rumors abound of a "reunion" album sans Byrne called ''No Talking, Just Head'' under the name "The Heads". Needless to say, it's become one of the many Loch Ness Monsters of music. |
| 198 | * According to a section of the fanbase, Music/{{Muse}}'s fifth album ''The Resistance'' was just a great big self-parody album and that the boys will stop taking the piss and go back to making [[MemeticMutation pwoper]] music soon enough. Particularly noteworthy when Muse, until that album, had changed their style between every album without alienating many of their older fans. In fact, ''The Resistance'' is an odd one out as it could comparatively be regarded as the most predictable, suggesting that a fair few fans dislike it for reasons contrary to what usually fuels dis-continuity. Still, at least a huge quantity of the fanbase is united in their agreement that Muse have never ever had anything to do with the Twilight films, and that they ''certainly'' never created the song "Neutron Star Collision," despite some silly rumours to the contrary. |
| 199 | ** And yet another section refuses to acknowledge ''The Second Law'' as ever having seen the light of day. |
| 200 | ** Muse themselves disowned any of the music they wrote before work started on ''Showbiz'' and have expressed embarrassment when recalling the gigs they played during their very early teenage years when they just wanted to be Nirvana. The fanbase being what it is, you can find loads of scraps of ancient demos and live videos floating around youtube thanks to a few scavengers with internet connections. They also wish they'd never made the first video for their single Uno, although the second, less embarrassing video seems to be more dis-continuity since the frontman never seems seem to remember it was ever made. |
| 201 | * Many Music/GreenDay fans would like to pretend ''Father of All Motherfuckers'' doesn't exist. The ''¡Uno! ¡Dos! ¡Tre!'' trilogy and ''Music/TwentyFirstCenturyBreakdown'' are also prone to erasure. And that's not counting those who think the band broke up in the early 2000s rather than record ''Music/AmericanIdiot'', or that Green Day ceased to exist after ''Music/{{Dookie}}''. |
| 202 | * If you ask a Music/CelticFrost fan about ''Cold Lake'', they will either punch you in the face and tell you to shut up, or give you a strange look and agree that, yes, most lakes are indeed cold. |
| 203 | * Remember when Music/GammaRay put out an album called ''Sigh No More''? No? Me neither. Some fans extend this to Ralf Scheepers' whole tenure and pretend they debuted with ''[[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Land of the Free]]''. |
| 204 | * Ask a metalhead their opinion on Music/SuicideSilence. If you immediately aren't given a look of disgust and spat upon, ask about ''The Black Crown''. You won't be able to wash the bile off you for weeks. |
| 205 | * Music/TheDoors never released two albums [[TheBandMinusTheFace without Jim Morrison]] titled ''Other Voices'' and ''Full Circle''. Even the band themselves [[CanonDiscontinuity won't own up to this]]. |
| 206 | * Most Music/ElvisCostello fans would prefer to pretend ''Goodbye, Cruel World'' doesn't exist. Even [[CreatorBacklash the man himself]] called it his worst album in the liner notes for the CD re-release. |
| 207 | * Similarly, never mention ''Under Wraps'' or ''A'' to a Music/JethroTull fan -- unless you call the latter a solo album by Ian Anderson that features SpecialGuest Martin Barre. Even [[CanonDiscontinuity their 2001 "best of" collection ignores both]]. |
| 208 | * Fans of Music/{{REM}} are divided as to when the band split up. Some claim it was after they switched labels from IRS to Warner Brothers, and thus they didn't produce any albums past ''Music/{{Document}}''. Others claim that when drummer Bill Berry left, the rest of the band went as well so ''New Adventures in Hi-Fi'' was the last R.E.M. album produced. Many in the latter camp though agree that they recorded two reunion albums without Berry (''Accelerate'' and ''Collapse into Now'') before disbanding for real. And some will also tell you that Michael Stipe never shaved his head, and that "Everybody Hurts" was the band's final single, saving themselves the humiliation of abandoning the mellow AlternativeRock roots that made them famous. |
| 209 | ** While we're at it, they never recorded a song called 'Shiny Happy People.' Even [[CanonDiscontinuity the band agrees with that one.]] |
| 210 | * The vast majority of Morbid Angel fans are still waiting for the veteran DeathMetal band to release their "I" album. Others maintain that they broke up after the initial departure of David Vincent, or possibly even after ''Covenant''. |
| 211 | * Music/{{Kraftwerk}} is insistent that their catalog begins with ''Music/{{Autobahn}}'', [[CanonDiscontinuity completely ignoring]] ''Tone Float'' (released under the band name Organisation, but later amended to Kraftwerk for an unauthorized CD release), ''[[SelfTitledAlbum Kraftwerk]]'', ''Kraftwerk 2'', and ''Ralf und Florian'' -- and fans generally ignore those albums as well. None of these albums have seen an official CD release, despite ''Kraftwerk'' containing the well-known track "Ruckzuck." |
| 212 | ** Depending on whom you ask, their last new album was either ''The Man-Machine'', ''Computer World'' or ''Techno Pop''/''Electric Café''. |
| 213 | * Music/BrooksAndDunn pretty much disowned their 1999 album ''Tight Rope'', their last album with original producer Don Cook. Most critics thought the album was phoned in and tired sounding; it was also their lowest-selling and did not produce any big hits. Launching it with a tepid cover of John Waite's "Missing You" (an obvious attempt to try and re-make their wildly successful cover of B.W. Stevenson's "My Maria" in 1996) didn't help. Most fans skip straight from ''If You See Her'' to ''Steers & Stripes'', as does their second GreatestHitsAlbum. |
| 214 | * After ''Slow Motion Daydream'', Music/{{Everclear}} released a GreatestHitsAlbum and then evaporated into the ether. |
| 215 | * For some Music/KateBush fans, her second album is ''Never For Ever'', a followup as acclaimed as her debut, ''The Kick Inside''. ''Lionheart''? Never heard of it. A few more forgiving [[FanCommunityNicknames lovehounds/fish people]] will acknowledge the existence of two "standalone" singles - "Hammer Horror" and "Wow". |
| 216 | * Lots of Music/FairportConvention fans ignore everything without Sandy Denny or Richard Thompson. |
| 217 | * For many fans of Music/TheOffspring, the band never began working with Bob Rock, and never released ''Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace''. |
| 218 | ** To others, they never released anything after ''Smash''. |
| 219 | * Music/DavidBowie fandom is full of differing opinions on what is and isn't worthwhile due to his fondness for the NewSoundAlbum trope, but albums and periods a newbie probably shouldn't bring up with the established fans are: |
| 220 | ** His pre-''Music/SpaceOddity'' work (1964-68), which is heavy on music hall/pop hybrids and occasional novelty numbers like "The Laughing Gnome". |
| 221 | ** His mainstream pop rock work of TheEighties. ''Music/LetsDance'' IS the biggest-selling album of his career, but it alienated many fans of his 1970s work and 1980's ''Music/ScaryMonstersAndSuperCreeps''. His two follow-ups in that vein, ''Tonight'' and ''Never Let Me Down'', are seen as a huge AudienceAlienatingEra for him ([[CanonDiscontinuity and]] ''[[CanonDiscontinuity by]]'' [[CanonDiscontinuity him]]), and there are plenty who cringe at other work he did during this period, such as the syrupy and ''incredibly'' dated-sounding ''Film/{{Labyrinth}}'' soundtrack (unless you're a nostalgic Gen X-er) and the "Dancing in the Street" duet with Music/MickJagger, particularly its HoYay-to-the-point-of-ridiculousness music video. The most general consensus one can find is that ''Let's Dance'' was good, as were a small handful of pieces from his 80s slump (namely "Loving the Alien" & "Blue Jean" from ''Tonight'', "Never Let Me Down" and '''especially''' "Time Will Crawl" from ''Never Let Me Down'', his performance at Live Aid, and maybe his non-''Labyrinth'' movie compositions if you're lucky), but aside from that it's best to pretend that Bowie took a huge breather during those years. |
| 222 | ** To get out of the rut of his post-''Music/LetsDance'' work, he founded the HardRock group Tin Machine. Very, ''very'' few fans will give the three Tin Machine albums (two studio, one live) so much as the time of day. |
| 223 | ** Of the three "techno" albums he released in TheNineties: ''Black Tie White Noise'', ''1. Outside'' and ''Earthling''. Some fans will admit to one, maybe two, but good luck finding more than a microscopic handful who will regard all three as part of the Bowie catalog. |
| 224 | ** Similarly, his TurnOfTheMillennium shift to AlternativeRock is divisive; it's hard to find anyone who loves ''Hours'', ''Heathen'', ''Reality'' '''and''' ''The Next Day''. (''Blackstar'' might get a pass for being his SwanSong) |
| 225 | * To many jazz fans, Wes Montgomery's pop-friendly A&M albums, and a few of his later Verve albums, simply do not exist. |
| 226 | * Regardless of what one's opinion of the CountryMusic band Music/{{Lonestar}} may be, most agree on two things: 1.) the solo songs Richie [=McDonald=] did in 2007-2011 never happened, and 2.) the album the other three guys did with Cody Collins replacing him on lead vocals never happened, either. |
| 227 | * Most fans of Music/CobraStarship say they never recorded ''Night Shades''. |
| 228 | ** Similarly, most fans of Midtown would like to pretend that Gabe Saporta quit music after breaking up instead of starting a Neon Pop project. |
| 229 | * Most Music/{{Helloween}} fans claim that the band never released the albums ''Pink Bubbles Go Ape'' and ''Chameleon''. Judging from how they never play any songs from either of these albums, [[CanonDiscontinuity the band itself seems to agree]]. Another group of Helloween fans claim that the band broke up after either Michael Kiske was fired or Kai Hansen quit the band. |
| 230 | ** You'll occasionally find fans who admit the existence of ''Pink Bubbles'', arguing that it's a decent album that gets underrated because of the excellence of its predecessors. On the other hand, ''nobody'' will acknowledge the existence of ''Chameleon'', with the possible exception of Kiske himself (who included acoustic versions of a few tracks from it on his ''Past in Different Ways'' album). |
| 231 | * Ask an Music/{{Accept}} fan what they think of ''Eat The Heat'' or David Reece, and you'll most likely just get a blank stare. |
| 232 | * Despite what the internet may tell you, Music/GraveDigger fans deny that the band ever changed their name to Digger and released a pop metal album. |
| 233 | * It is pretty much universal opinion among Music/JagPanzer fans that there is no album called ''Dissident Alliance''. Paradoxically, while many will admit to having heard of an album called ''Chain of Command'', the consensus still remains that Harry Conklin is the only singer the band has ever had. |
| 234 | * As far as most fans are concerned, Music/ScottWalker recorded no solo material between 1969's ''Scott 4'' and 1984's ''Climate of Hunter''. Those five albums of mostly covers he recorded after the failure of the self-penned ''Scott 4''? Never happened. |
| 235 | * Music/TheRutles' fictitious backstory is PACKED with contradictions (with both sides of the coin even appearing in contradictory fashion in the original 1978 TV movie), mainly due to [[Music/TheBonzoDogBand Neil Innes]] and Creator/EricIdle's different opinions on how stupidly silly their story should be. (Eric was content on filling the Rutles' back catalogue with Beatles titles now altered to include either references to food, or the word "Rut," while Neil Innes preferred subtle and intelligent humor.) Just a few examples.... |
| 236 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of "All You Need Is Love": Neil Innes - "Love Life". Eric Idle - "All You Need Is Lunch." |
| 237 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of "I Am The Walrus": Neil Innes - "Piggy In The Middle". Eric Idle - "I Am The Waitress." |
| 238 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of "Twist and Shout": Neil Innes - "Number One." Eric Idle - "Twist and Rut." |
| 239 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of Apple Corps: Neil Innes - Rutle Records. Eric Idle - Banana Records. (Making the logo gag a bit too literal.) |
| 240 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of "Sgt. Pepper": Neil Innes - "Major Happy's Up and Coming Once Upon A Good Time Band." Eric Idle - "Sgt. Rutter's Only Darts Club Band." (In the terrible cash-in film ''The Rutles 2'', which had no involvement from Innes, Idle actually had the gall to play the track "Major Happy" while discussing the "Sgt. Rutter" album, despite originally damning the ''Archaeology'' project.) |
| 241 | ** In the first (collaborative) film, Maharishi equivalent Arthur Sultan was a Ouija board mystic. In ''The Rutles 2'', he became the owner of an Indian restaurant... thus allowing more forced food jokes. |
| 242 | ** The Rutles' equivalent of "When I'm Sixty Four": Neil Innes - "Back In '64". Creator/EricIdle - "If I Sixty-Nine". (Groan.) |
| 243 | ** At one point, Creator/EricIdle shoved aside the whole "the Rutles' songs sound like Beatles songs" concept, putting out two uninteresting novelty tracks as a 'Rutles' single without Neil's involvement. |
| 244 | * "Rap fans refuse to acknowledge the album, mainly due to the ill-conceived 'gangsta' image makeover that accompanied it." The preceeding sentence applies equally to Music/MCHammer (''The Funky Headhunter''), Music/RunDMC (''Down With The King'') and Music/WillSmith (''Homebase'')[[note]]Smith's fans simply pretend "Summertime" was a stand-alone single.[[/note]] |
| 245 | * Ask any fan of Music/{{Disturbed}} how many albums they've released, and the answer you get is almost perfectly, inversely proportional to how much of a dedicated HeavyMetal and/or DeathMetal aficionado they are. They're always acknowledged in chronological order to boot, as they progress from nearly-incoherent rage, to rage at specific targets, to more generalized disgust with the world but a desire to see it get better. |
| 246 | * Oh, Music/{{Queensryche}}, where to begin? Acknowledgement of their work through ''[[Music/OperationMindcrime Operation: Mindcrime]]'' is pretty much universal, but beyond that there's not much consensus. Most will agree that they released an album called ''Empire'', and most of those people will also admit that ''Promised Land'' existed. There's a sharp drop-off at that point, but you can still find a reasonable number who argue that they released an album after that called ''Hear in the Now Frontier.'' However, most of those people will tell you that Chris [=DeGarmo's=] decision to leave then resulted in the band splitting up, so they certainly couldn't have released a string of albums after that, though some will acknowledge that they briefly got back together to record ''Tribe''. Even the few who insist that they did in fact release material without [=DeGarmo=] will deny ever having heard of an album called ''Dedicated to Chaos''. That's not even getting started on the two 2013 releases, released by two entirely different bands who both have the right to use the name until the lawsuit is settled, though this is at least a bit more justified since the court's ruling will almost certainly result in one of those albums becoming CanonDiscontinuity as well. |
| 247 | ** It probably doesn't help that the 2013 releases are also subject to a SERIOUS BrokenBase, due to the two aforementioned different versions of the band also performing in sounds that are very different from the other: Tate's version was more in line with the stuff from "Here in the Now Frontier" onwards, while the other version was somewhat like their stuff up to "Promised Land". |
| 248 | * Music/DeadKennedys fans would rather pretend that the band is no longer together. "Jello Biafra was [[FanonDiscontinuity never]] [[ReplacementScrappy replaced!]]" |
| 249 | * Music/BobDylan fans would generally agree that his essential canon is: all of his 60s albums (except sometimes ''Music/NashvilleSkyline''), ''Music/BloodOnTheTracks'', and the albums from 1997's ''Music/TimeOutOfMind'' to the present[[note]]with ''Music/ChristmasInTheHeart'' as an eccentric outlier[[/note]]. Everything else is in YMMV territory, with 1987's ''Down In The Groove'' probably being his least loved album. |
| 250 | * The original lineup of Music/TheByrds reunited for a SelfTitledAlbum in 1973. It wasn't received well by critics or fans, and everyone involved would just as soon forget it ever happened. Other fans will argue that they formally ended after their SwanSong with [[Music/CrosbyStillsNashAndYoung David Crosby]], ''The Notorious Byrd Brothers'', or their lowest charting album, ''Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde''. |
| 251 | * Some Music/{{Madonna}} fans argue that ''Music/{{Erotica}}'' was not an album, but rather just a cheap tie-in to ''Sex''. |
| 252 | ** Other fans would consider that her first four albums (''Madonna'', ''Music/LikeAVirgin'', ''Music/TrueBlue'' and ''Music/LikeAPrayer'') as the only albums she ever did. |
| 253 | ** Some fans argue that she only did 10 albums total. |
| 254 | ** Most Madonna fans pretend ''Music/AmericanLife'' never happened (though there is a VocalMinority that lauds it as a "misunderstood classic") |
| 255 | * A noticeably large camp of Music/MichaelJackson fans don't consider his 2010 posthumous album ''Michael'' as canon, as some of his relatives are uncertain whether the vocals from the album are really his (Jackson did have dental problems and other health issues that had a noticeably poor effect on his voice near the end of his life, as illustrated from the rehearsal footage from the ''This is It'' concerts, though that doesn't stop fans from attributing the debated vocals to soundalike Jason Malachi) This became excabarated when a class-action lawsuit was filed over the allegedly fake "Casico tracks" ("Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster"), resulting in Sony eventually removing the alleged forgeries in 2022, effectively exiling them from Jackson's musical canon. |
| 256 | ** Other fans would consider his post-Motown, pre-death era (from ''Music/OffTheWall'' to ''{{Music/Invincible}}'') as canon. |
| 257 | ** Some fans would accept only his first eight albums as canon, ignoring ''Music/HistoryPastPresentAndFutureBookI'' and ''Music/{{Invincible}}''. |
| 258 | ** Some fans would accept his first nine albums and his remix album (which did have new material) ''Blood in the Dance Floor: [=HIStory=] in the Mix'' as canon, ignoring ''Music/{{Invincible}}''. In general, of his Epic output, ''Invincible'' seems to be the most divisive of the bunch. |
| 259 | ** While ''[[Music/XscapeMichaelJacksonAlbum Xscape]]'' was a much better-regarded posthumous album than ''Michael'', you'll still run into the occasional group of fans who prefer to pretend it never happened, mainly because Jackson himself was a notorious perfectionist and never got to have the final say in the official versions of the songs on both posthumous albums thanks to them being, well, posthumous albums. |
| 260 | ** There's also a good chunk of fans who prefer to ignore 2017's ''Scream'', with reasons typically varying from the same as the above-mentioned ''Xscape'' to the fact that it's a remix album as opposed to a third album of unreleased MJ material. |
| 261 | * Most fans of Music/TheMoodyBlues ([[CanonDiscontinuity including both "official" websites]]) deny that they were ever fronted by Denny Laine, or recorded ''The Magnificent Moodies''. This is probably because that album was indeed a [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin blues]] album, ''very'' different from their familiar soft-rock sound, and was remaindered within five years of its release; and when it is availiable on CD, it is mono. |
| 262 | * Music/FleetwoodMac had at least two different eras, at least as different in sound (if not more so) as the Moody Blues example above. (This means that if buying a "Best of Fleetwood Mac" album -- of which there have been at least two from each era -- you probably need to check the track listing.) Fans of the Peter Green (blues) era tend to deny that the Christine [=McVie=] (disco) era ever happened, and vice-versa. |
| 263 | ** This is just the beginning. Some people enjoy both the Green and Buckingham/Nicks eras but deny the Bob Welch years ever happened, a few people even enjoy the Welch years the most and deny one or both of the others. Then there's the two albums the band recorded in the 90s, the first without Buckingham and the second without him OR Nicks... |
| 264 | * Music/FearFactory fans almost universally pretend that ''Digimortal'' never happened. |
| 265 | * Many Moonshake fans consider the band to have ended with the departure of Margaret Fiedler. It didn't help that the remaining members instituted a "no guitars" policy and opted for a GenreShift into a more jazz-influenced sound. |
| 266 | * Fans of Music/TheMonkees normally ignore everything after ''The Birds, the Bees and the Monkees'' since almost all of their fans agree on the five albums up to and including it. What is especially denied of existence consists mainly of the unoriginal ''Instant Replay'' and the non-charting ''Changes'', both of which were ignored on the group's 1995 greatest hits CD (although both albums are mentioned, no tracks from either are on it). |
| 267 | ** Another theory is that once [[Series/TheMonkees the show ended]], the band broke up. Since ''Birds'' was the last album recorded before the show's cancellation, this is generally an overlap with the above. |
| 268 | ** There are others who are cool with everything but the two "reunion" albums, ''Pool It!'' and ''Justus''. After all, the Monkees ''were'' from TheSixties. |
| 269 | ** Others say ''Film/{{Head}}'' finally broke the camel's back, as it's the last "official" album with Peter Tork and thus the original quartet. |
| 270 | ** Alternately, ''Instant Replay'' and ''The Monkees Present'' are "proper" albums by the Monkees, but ''Changes'', having the musical talent pretty much drained, is by the Monkees InNameOnly. |
| 271 | * Fans of Music/TheHollies will generally state that they ceased to exist after either Graham Nash or Allan Clarke left. |
| 272 | * Most of Music/{{NSYNC}}'s fandom refuses to acknowledge "Gone" as one of the group's singles as it's only sung by Music/JustinTimberlake, rather than the VocalTagTeam normally employed. It was seen by the fandom as the point where the group was ending and set up Justin's solo career. |
| 273 | * Ask an Music/{{Aborted}} fan about ''Strychnine.213'' and be prepared to potentially have to dodge a torrent of vomit. Ask Sven de Caluwe and you'll get [[CreatorBacklash much the same reaction]]. There's a ''reason'' why no one ever laments the fact that they haven't played anything off of the album live in over five years. |
| 274 | * Most fans of Music/TheWho agree that the band ceased to exist after ''Who Are You'', the last album with Keith Moon. |
| 275 | * Many people like to say Music/KellyClarkson does not have an album called ''My December'', including her record label. |
| 276 | * The album ''Alaska'' is a big divider for Music/BetweenTheBuriedAndMe. Death metal fans will argue that they disbanded after it's release, while prog fans will argue that it was their debut and their first two albums never existed. It's pretty much universally agreed that they never did a cover album, though. |
| 277 | ** There are also fans of the band's prog era, who are fine with ''The Silent Circus'', but would prefer to pretend the band's self-titled début does not exist. [[CreatorBacklash The band themselves]] would seem to sympathise with this viewpoint. |
| 278 | * Music/BlackSabbath -- where to begin? Only the Ozzy albums exist, only the Dio albums exist, only the Ozzy and Dio albums exist, only the albums with Geezer on bass (which includes all the Dio and Ozzy plus a couple of others). Or everything but ''Never Say Die'', ''Technical Ecstasy'' (which [[OldShame never happened]]), ''Seventh Star'' (which was only ever intended to be an Iommi solo album, and sounds nothing like Sabbath, but the studio [[ExecutiveMeddling strong-armed]] him into using the more recognizable name), and ''Forbidden'' (which presents the already highly controversial [[ReplacementScrappy Tony Martin]]-fronted version of the band at their absolute worst). Also, some include the ''Devil You Know'' album by "Heaven & Hell" to be part of the Black Sabbath discography. (''Music/{{Paranoid|Album}}'' obviously exists, but the cover art, which was hated by everyone [[ExecutiveMeddling including the band]] from day one, does not.) |
| 279 | ** Basically the only universal consensus Sabbath fans have been able to reach is that there is no album called ''Forbidden''. Every other album, no matter how hated by the majority of the fanbase, seems to have its defenders, but even the folks who love everything else they've ever done will disown that one. |
| 280 | * Yes, Virginia, Music/TheSweet existed before "Blockbuster" (they even had a #1 hit). Thank God ''once'' for ExecutiveMeddling. |
| 281 | * Most fans of the Music/VelvetUnderground, including [[CanonDiscontinuity the band members themselves]], refuse to acknowledge the existence of ''Music/{{Squeeze|1973}}'', the last ''official'' VU album, where literally nobody except Doug Yule plays on the record. It has never been re-released, as virtually nobody is interested in it. |
| 282 | ** It doesn't help that even Yule didn't really want the album to bear the Velvet Underground name, [[DolledUpInstallment but was forced into it by]] ExecutiveMeddling, the villain here being their manager Steve Sesnick. |
| 283 | * Fans of Music/BuddyHolly will generally agree that the Crickets broke up once he died. |
| 284 | * Cat Stevens fans often disavow any knowledge of his first two albums, ''Matthew and Son'' and ''New Masters''. However, he has played songs from both albums, but less frequently than his more popular songs like "Wild World" and "Peace Train." Others ignore the less-than-stellar ''Numbers'' and ''Back to Earth'' (but not ''Izitso'', the album between them, or the albums he has recorded as Yusuf Islam, which are often listed as a separate artist despite the two being the same person). Basically, his output consists of everything between and including ''Mona Bone Jakon'' and ''Buddha and the Chocolate Box'' (with ''Foreigner'' being the only questionable album), ''Izitso'' and his rock albums as Yusuf Islam. |
| 285 | * While fans of Music/{{The Rolling Stones|Band}} generally agree everything up to and including 1972's ''Music/ExileOnMainSt'' is essential (save for maybe two exceptions, see below) it gets messy after that. The band's no-frills blues rock was rapidly going out of style on top-40 radio in the mid-[[TheSeventies 70s]], leaving them in a precarious place. Not sure what to do, they played it safe by continuing their usual sound with the subsequent albums ''Music/GoatsHeadSoup'' (1973) and ''Music/ItsOnlyRockNRoll'' (1974). While both hit #1 on the Billboard 200, of their singles during that time, only the out-of-character ballad "Angie" made the top 10. This can be shocking compared to their previous decade of success. It was then they started experimenting with more top-40 friendly influences such as disco/funk and leaning more heavily into genres they'd only flirted with in the past, like soul/R&B. The discontinuity begins here. Fans fall like this: |
| 286 | ** ''Goats'' and ''Only'' mark the end of the Stones as a great rock band; they are mediocre filler albums where the music spins its wheels and goes nowhere new. They never recovered. |
| 287 | ** ''Goats'' and ''Only'' are worthy, if a bit boring, additions to the Stones catalogue (because the sound still falls close to the band's roots), but nothing after that because they leaned into commercial pandering. |
| 288 | ** 1976's ''Music/BlackAndBlue'' was a successful display of radio accessibility without sacrificing their blues influences. They sold out after that. |
| 289 | ** They must have been doing ''somethng'' right with 1978's ''Music/SomeGirls'', because it netted their last #1 hit, "Miss You", and hey, it's catchy! This is the only "pop" album they actually put their hearts into and gave up after that. |
| 290 | ** 1980's ''Music/EmotionalRescue'' is a continuation of the ''Some Girls'' sound, so it's okay to include. |
| 291 | ** 1981's ''Music/TattooYou'' is the last album where they ''tried'' to experiment without selling out or resting on their laurels, at least on most of the tracks. It's all downhill from here. |
| 292 | ** This is where much smaller subsets come in. A select few will accept the two highly-commercial albums between ''Tattoo'' and 1989's better-recieved return-to-form ''Music/SteelWheels'' where they go towards dance-rock/new wave [[note]]1983's ''{{Music/Undercover}}'' and 1986's ''Music/DirtyWork''[[/note]], and even then, probably only as {{Camp}}. After that, though, good luck fiding fans willing to defend the stuff post-''Wheels'' as anything but the band just going through the motions, save for some love to singles like "Anybody Seen My Baby?", "Don't Stop", and "Doom and Gloom". |
| 293 | ** Finally, any combination of the above fans may disregard their flings with psychedelia, ''Music/BetweenTheButtons'' and ''Music/TheirSatanicMajestiesRequest'', dismissing them as misguided [[NewSoundAlbum New Sound Albums]]. |
| 294 | * Just ask a Music/{{Nirvana}} fan about their debut album, ''Music/{{Bleach|Album}}'', or [[ThePeteBest Chad Channing]]. Thought so. |
| 295 | * To many opera fans, Music/GiuseppeVerdi has only five major works before ''Theatre/{{Rigoletto}}'' -- ''Nabucco'', ''I lombardi alla prima crociata'', ''Ernani'', ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'' and ''Luisa Miller''. They'll generally ignore ''Aroldo'', too. |
| 296 | * Similarly, the catalog of Music/RichardWagner begins for most at ''Der fliegende Holländer'' rather than ''Die Feen''. Some people will start at ''Rienzi'', but there is no BrokenBase here as everything following ''Rienzi'' (including ''Der fliegende Holländer'') is part of Wagner's canon and ''Die Feen'' and ''Das Liebesverbot'' were considered [[CanonDiscontinuity outside of Wagner's realm]]. |
| 297 | * Regardless of what the Neapolitan nobility said, Gaetano Donizetti never ''ever'' composed an opera titled ''Buondelmonte''. Even [[CanonDiscontinuity the composer himself refused to stage it thereafter]] except as ''Maria Stuarda''. |
| 298 | * Fans of Music/GioachinoRossini are pretty divided as to whether or not he actually composed any music after ''William Tell''. As for his operatic career, here is what people generally omit, in chronological order: |
| 299 | ** ''Aureliano in Palmira'', which people only remember because Rossini reused its overture in ''The Barber of Seville''; |
| 300 | ** ''Sigismondo'', a massive failure at its premiere in 1814; |
| 301 | ** ''La gazzetta'', his only comedy written for Naples; |
| 302 | ** ''Adelaide di Borgogna'', a work scarcely performed in Italy and almost never performed abroad; |
| 303 | ** ''Adina'', which he never saw in his lifetime due to it being performed only a few times in Lisbon; |
| 304 | ** ''Eduardo e Cristina'', a pastiche of his earlier works and therefore one of his least original operas; and |
| 305 | ** ''Maometto secondo'', a work that vanished forever once it became ''Le siege de Corinthe'' in 1826. |
| 306 | * Fans of Music/LudwigVanBeethoven refuse to acknowledge a tenth symphony despite what various sources will tell you. The same can be said for Music/GustavMahler. |
| 307 | * A lot of Music/SimonAndGarfunkel fans ignore their debut album, ''Wednesday Morning 3 A.M.'', and pretty much kick it off with ''Sounds of Silence''. |
| 308 | * Fans of Music/TheAnimals almost always agree that they never reunited in the 90s without Eric Burdon. |
| 309 | * Music/TheYardbirds can be divided into three groups: the Music/EricClapton years, the Jeff Beck years, and the [[Music/LedZeppelin Jimmy Page]] years. The former two are easily accepted by fans, but with only one album (''Little Games'') and no hits, the third is not. Led Zeppelin fans may disagree. |
| 310 | * There is some debate over whether or not Music/ModestMussorgsky actually composed three operas. It's unanimous that one of them is ''Boris Godunov'', but some fans are leery of the fact that ''Khovanshchina'' and ''Sorochintsy Fair'' were incomplete because he DiedDuringProduction. |
| 311 | * Music/SixFeetUnder fans universally like to pretend that the 3 ''Graveyard Classics'' albums never happened. |
| 312 | * Some fans of Music/TheRamones will say that they never released a 60s-themed CoverAlbum called ''Acid Eaters''. They never worked on ''Music/EndOfTheCentury'' with Music/PhilSpector, either, and Dee Dee was ''never'' threatened with a gun. |
| 313 | * Ever think of seeing Vincenzo Bellini's ''Zaira'' any time soon? Neither do I. |
| 314 | * Remember when {{Music/Kansas}} released the albums ''Power'' and ''In The Spirit Of Things''? Neither do they. Other fans will tell you the band released no more albums after either Steve Walsh or Robby Steinhardt left, depending on who you ask. More casual listeners will tell you their first album was ''Leftoverture''. While it was the first album they released that got mainstream success, they actually released three albums prior to that. |
| 315 | * Most Music/KatyPerry fans ignore the Christian albums she recorded under the name Katy Hudson. |
| 316 | * Music/DepecheMode fans are usually divided on what's real and what's not. |
| 317 | ** There's a very small number of fans who think ''Music/SpeakAndSpell'' and ''Music/ABrokenFrame'' only happened. |
| 318 | ** The Alan Wilder era (1982-1995) only accepted as Fanon. While everything pre-1982 and post-1995 didn't happen. |
| 319 | ** Then, there's the majority of fans who accept the newer albums, but think Sound of the Universe was their weakest, and that its single "Peace" didn't happen. |
| 320 | ** Especially the British music press tends to pretend that ''Music/ABrokenFrame'' was Depeche Mode's debut album, and [[ThePeteBest Vince Clarke has never been a band member]]. |
| 321 | * Music/ElvisPresley fans refuse to acknowledge that he ever recorded a spoken-word album called ''Having Fun With Elvis on Stage''. |
| 322 | * Massacre fans will insist that they never recorded a disastrous groove metal album called ''Promise'' in 1996. Kam Lee himself also refuses to include the album as part of his output, even going as far to say that he left the band during recording due to severe dissatisfaction with the album (though given his {{Jerkass}} nature, he probably made this up to seem cool). |
| 323 | * So how many Music/{{ACDC}} fans out there say their favorite singer in the group is [[ThePeteBest Dave Evans]]? Exactly. |
| 324 | * Some fans completely prefer to ignore the [=Michael McDonald=] soft rock era of the Doobie Brothers. The band, however, regularly plays those songs in concert and the songs tend to show up on compilations, although Tom Johnston only handles backup vocals when they're performed, in part because his voice and singing style isn't well suited to them. Bear in mind that [=McDonald=] was brought into the band out of necessity -- Johnston left the band in 1975 only because of health issues but they were still contractually obligated to record another album at the time. |
| 325 | ** A portion of this group who likes the biggest hit of the [=McDonald=] era, "What a Fool Believes," but still favor Johnston over him may or may not consider it a [=McDonald=] stand-alone single featuring various members of the Doobie Brothers, much like the Yes example with ''Drama'' above. |
| 326 | * For any of you who have heard rumors circulating about Music/TheKinks reuniting without Dave: it could just as easily fall into this territory. Of course, [[SiblingRivalry there's a reason why Ray wants it that way]]... |
| 327 | * Oh boy, what should we say about Music/ElectricLightOrchestra? Some of us want to omit the first two ELO albums, others want to skip ''Discovery'' (with the exception of "Don't Bring Me Down") and ''Xanadu'', a few more stop with ''Time'', several ignore the reunion album ''Zoom''... |
| 328 | * Do ''not'' ask any die-hard Music/VillagePeople fans about ''The Renaissance Album'' or ''Film/CantStopTheMusic''. |
| 329 | * Giacomo Meyerbeer never wrote ''Jephtas Gelübde'', ''Wirth und Gast'' or ''Das Brandenburger Tor''. Even his biggest fans will deny their existence. |
| 330 | * To most of his fans there is no album by Music/EltonJohn titled ''Empty Sky''. There is also some debate over whether or not he recorded a disco album called ''Victim of Love''. |
| 331 | * There are quite a number of Music/MottTheHoople fans who disregard the two poorly received albums they recorded simply as Mott – never mind the two albums afterwards released under the name English Lions. |
| 332 | * Some fans of Music/TaylorSwift would like to forget that she has made an attempt to switch from country music to pop music, and some fans who prefer the original recording albums would like to ignore her re-recorded ''Taylor's Version'' albums. |
| 333 | * Any takers of Big Brother and the Holding Company without Music/JanisJoplin? Didn't think so. |
| 334 | * After ''Good Singin', Good Playin''', Music/GrandFunkRailroad broke up and was never heard of again. |
| 335 | * Music/AliceCooper exists in two phases, the band and the solo artist. The solo artist phase has several phases of its own: original solo/theatric phase up to ''Music/FromTheInside''; the New Wave/Lost Weekend era, from ''Flush the Fashion'' through ''Da Da''; the comeback/hair metal period from ''Constrictor'' through ''Hey Stoopid''; and everything since. Each period has its fans and it’s detractors. ''Love It To Death'' was the first album by the band, and most certainly NOT the third. There was never a band called Billion Dollar Babies, nor was there an album by them called ''Battle Axe''. |
| 336 | * Who wants any Foghat albums after ''Boogie Motel''? Good. |
| 337 | * No one really wants to remember that Music/AliceInChains started off as a generic GlamMetal band. Less common, but still prevalent, are those fans who won't acknowledge the albums that came out after lead singer Layne Staley's death. A smaller still group of fans want to ignore everything after ''Dirt''. |
| 338 | * Plenty of fans of Music/TheBeachBoys wish that ''Music/{{Smile|TheBeachBoys}}'' saw the light of day. Another group considers ''Music/PetSounds'' their last album (with "Good Vibrations" and "Kokomo" released as standalone singles), and another group is only comfortable with the Beach Boys who recorded songs about girls, cars and surfing. |
| 339 | ** Other fans will acknowledge the existence of an official version of ''Smile'', but will disregard everything between ''Pet Sounds'' and it, as well as everything after it. |
| 340 | ** Some fans like some of their 70s efforts like "Feel Flows" and "Sail On, Sailor". |
| 341 | * Many Music/MikePosner fans, and Mike Posner himself, act as if his first mixtape, ''Reflections of a Lost Teen'', does not exist, to the point that Mike Posner refers to his second mixtape as his "debut", and it isn't even mentioned on Posner's Wikipedia discography page. It is, at least, mentioned on his own Wikipedia page. |
| 342 | * According to many fans, the nucleus of the Little River Band is vocalist Glenn Shorrock, along with guitarists Graehame Goble and Beeb Birtles (adding drummer Derek Pellicci is acceptable). Once Shorrock, Goble, and Birtles left, the LRB ceased to exist. |
| 343 | * A non-Western example: Many fans of the Hong Kong rock band Beyond ignore anything made after the tragic death of lead singer Wong Ka Kui. |
| 344 | * Music/RascalFlatts never released a song called "Bob That Head". You just imagined a song where Gary [=LeVox=] [[CarefulWithThatAxe screeched out]] the AccidentalInnuendo of a title twice. |
| 345 | * Music/StoneTemplePilots were a great 90s band. Too bad Scott Weiland died and the band [[Music/LinkinPark never, ever]] [[Series/TheXFactor replaced him]]. |
| 346 | * Hardcore Music/FallOutBoy fans are pretty fickle. Either their first album is all that exists from them, their first two, or their first four. They've changed up their style so drastically between each that fans that like all four of them equally are pretty rare to come across unless you specifically look for them. Also, their more overtly Pop exploits since 2013 don't exist either and the band ended after ''Folie'' for some. |
| 347 | ** Even most of the fans who disagree on those will completely ignore ''Fall Out Boy's Evening Out With Your Girlfriend'', if they're aware of its release in the first place. On rare occasions, "Honorable Mention" is allowed to exist (and they continued to play it at shows at least through the ''From Under the Cork Tree'' era) but the EarlyInstallmentWeirdness and the label screwing the band out of its royalties leave most people -- from the fans to [[CreatorBacklash the band themselves]] -- happy to pretend ''Take This to Your Grave'' was their first release. |
| 348 | * There is some debate among classical music fans about how many ballets Music/IgorStravinsky actually composed. The first three (''Theatre/TheFirebird'', ''Petrushka'' and ''Theatre/TheRiteOfSpring'') are definitely considered canon, but the existence of his later ballets, especially after ''Pulcinella'', becomes more questionable. |
| 349 | * According to [[CreatorBacklash almost every member]] of Music/DeepPurple, they ''did'' make a pretty good album with Tommy Bolin after ''Stormbringer'', but it shouldn't be considered a Deep Purple album. |
| 350 | * Big fans of Music/TheGuessWho would argue the group's last album was ''American Woman'' (the group's last album with Randy Bachman), and that all the big hits thereafter like "Hand Me Down World" and "Albert Flasher" were simple single releases. Other fans argue that the band didn't exist until the release of ''Wheatfield Soul'', their first album with Burton Cummings. |
| 351 | * "The 27 Club" means that it's not uncommon for fans of a musician who, in their old age, is releasing horrible material and/or has [[FaceHeelTurn done a political 180 from the set of values their fans associated them with]], to 'agree' that they died at age 27. |
| 352 | * Most Music/CultureClub fans prefer to believe that ''Music/FromLuxuryToHeartache'' & ''Don't Mind If I Do'' don't exist. Some fans ignore the existence of Boy George's solo career, as well. |
| 353 | * A good number of Music/DuranDuran fans ignore everything between ''Notorious'' and ''Pop Trash'', with the argument being that the band ceased to exist until the "classic" lineup reunited in 2001. |
| 354 | ** Some hardcore elitist lovers of the NewRomantic era (which was considered more artistic & innovative than the later [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]] scene) ignore everything they did after their ''first album'', alongside ignoring everything Music/SpandauBallet did after their debut LP as well. |
| 355 | ** Other fans argue that everything between the 1993 "wedding album" and ''Astronaut'' never happened. |
| 356 | * Oh, Music/NeilYoung. We learn to expect practically anything from him, not just sweet ballads and hymns or massively primordial rock compositions that go on and ''on'' and '''on''' FOR EVER. These are the sounds that mean "Neil Young" to many people. But even many of his most ardent devotees, not to mention his record company[[note]]Geffen, not his usual Reprise. Geffen sued him for producing an album that "[[InsaneTrollLogic didn't sound like Neil Young]]".[[/note]]drew the line at ''Trans'' (1982). It was filled with experimental electronics, octave separators and Morse code, and Neil singing through a vocoder. Even knowing that he wrote it while searching for a way for his son Ben, who cannot speak, to communicate, doesn't keep fans from wishing it didn't exist. Over the decades ''Trans'' [[https://hornet.com/stories/neil-young-trans has become recognized]] and some of its songs even covered by other artists. |
| 357 | * Rap fans of the mid to late 90s want to forget that Music/DrDre's ''Aftermath'' ever happened. And while Dre was [[MagnumOpusDissonance heartbroken by the backlash]] of his sequel to ''The Chronic'', he eventually sided with the fans and discontinued the album himself when he boasted on ''The Chronic 2001'' "Still Dre" that he didn't fall off, his last album was ''The Chronic'', completely disgarding ''The Aftermath''. |
| 358 | * Many Music/BillyJoel fans vehemently deny he was ever in an acid rock band named Music/{{Attila}} before becoming a successful solo artist. Others argue that his career started with ''Piano Man'', ignoring ''Cold Spring Harbor'', or that ''[[Music/StormFrontAlbum Storm Front]]'' consists of "We Didn't Start the Fire" (or "Leningrad") and nothing else. |
| 359 | * Fans of the Music/BlackEyedPeas refuse to acknowledge that "Let's Get It Started" was originally recorded as "[[UnfortunateImplications Let's Get Retarded]]". |
| 360 | * Music/REOSpeedwagon: To some, the band ceased to exist after ''Nine Lives''. The band's [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks sound]] [[NewSoundAlbum underwent a drastic shift]] in 1980 with ''Hi-Infidelity'', becoming more mainstream and radio-friendly. To others, ''Hi-Infidelity'' or ''Wheels Are Turnin''' was their last album. |
| 361 | * Music/{{Sepultura}} has many fans who think the band ended when Max Cavalera left. |
| 362 | * Fans of Music/SeanCombs and Music/LedZeppelin unanimously insist that "Come With Me", Combs and Jimmy Page's "Kashmir"-sampling collaboration for the ''Film/Godzilla1998'' soundtrack, never happened. |
| 363 | * Music/JeanMichelJarre has this a lot due to his NewSoundAlbum tendencies: |
| 364 | ** If you've discovered him in [[TheSeventies the late '70s]], chances are he has only ever made two albums (''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' and ''Music/{{Equinoxe}}''). Or maybe three; either you accepted the following ''Magnetic Fields'', but you were alienated away by everything that followed, or you accepted ''Oxygène 7-13'' because it's the closest to ''Oxygène'' and ''Equinoxe'' in sound. |
| 365 | ** If you've discovered him in TheEighties or [[TheNineties the early '90s]], for example through Ed Starink's ''Synthesizer Greatest'' series, chances are he has only ever made the nine studio albums from ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' to ''Oxygène 7-13''. Besides, ''Revolutions'', ''Hong Kong'' and possibly ''The Concerts In China'' have never been [[DigitalDestruction digitally remastered]]. That, and Jarre's last live performance was ''Oxygen In Moscow''. |
| 366 | ** Even if you acknowledge ''Metamorphoses'', ''Oxygène 3'' and ''Equinoxe Infinity'', chances are you disregard everything else he made in the 21st century. If he ever was to play "Vintage" at one of his concerts, you couldn't tell which album it's from, if any. The existence of ''Sessions 2000'', ''Geometry Of Love'', ''Téo & Téa'', ''Aero'', the 30th anniversary ''Music/{{Oxygène}}'' re-release etc. will only come to your mind if you happen to take a look into your Jarre shrine where they've been sitting ever since that one single time you've played them. |
| 367 | ** ''Solidarność Live'' has never happened. Jarre's 2004 double concert in Beijing probably hasn't either.[[note]]Hardcore fans dislike these concerts for being only-too-obvious playback shows, and more casual fans don't know they've ever taken place.[[/note]] |
| 368 | ** Only die-hard Jarre collectors who have already got everything else acknowledge the existence of Jarre's pre-''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' material, but they mostly only acquire it in order to expand their collections, never to listen to any of it. The same goes for the masses of remixes from TheNineties, also because EDM doesn't necessarily age well. |
| 369 | * According to a lot of old-school electronic music aficionados, Music/TangerineDream have only ever made four studio albums: ''Phaedra'', ''Rubycon'', ''Stratosfear'' and the ''Film/{{Sorcerer}}'' soundtrack. These are [[NoTrueScotsman their only true]] Berlin School/Kosmische Musik albums.[[note]]Up until ''Atem'', they were a {{krautrock}} band like so many others. On their next album, ''Cyclone'', they committed the utterly heretical atrocities of including vocals with lyrics and, even worse, ''composing'' their music, i.e. doing some planning ahead instead of just improvising into the blue. They essentially turned into a pop group.[[/note]] |
| 370 | * A lot of Music/MarinaDiamandis fans don't like her albums from Electra Heart onwards, they think that she sold out and want her to go back to her indie roots. |
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| 372 | * Many Music/Suagababes fans don't like Sweet 7, they felt that the album was too Americanized while other fans hated it simply because there were no original members left in the band when it was released. |
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| 374 | * Music/CharliXCX has a divided fandom, with some fans not liking the hyperpop sound she did from Vroom Vroom to How I'm Feeling Now and liked that she went back to a more mainstream pop sound with Crash, while other fans only like her hyperpop stuff and see Crash as selling out. |
| 375 | * Upon release of Music/{{Alphaville}}'s ''Crazyshow'' in 2003 and the revelation that recently departed bandmember Bernhard Lloyd was not involved with it, some fans considered it a Marian Gold solo album, since all other contributors were either outside collaborators such as Rainer Bloss, or members of the touring band, such as Martin Lister. At the time the touring band was not considered the ''real'' Alphaville,[[note]]This is partly due to the band's management vaguely explaining there were two Alphavilles, live and studio, whenever asked about the lineup situation, and also partly due to fans confusing Bernhard Lloyd's work on the first Atlantic Popes album with work being done for a future Alphaville studio album.[[/note]] but those sentiments started to wane in the leadup to 2010's ''Catching Rays on Giant''. Nevertheless, there is still a small faction who consider everything from ''Crazyshow'' onward Marian Gold solo material. |
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